[ninenot]

We could argue endlessly, because the bottom line has to do precisely with your question: 'how many souls are lost...?'and neither of us is able to answer.

JPII thinks his method will work, or he wouldn't use it. Some of that "from the top" stuff worked quite well for Ronald Reagan (and JPII and RR were close--and share an acting background, too.)

Another way to ask the question: "how many souls were GAINED by JPII's initiative?"--another which neither of us can answer.

Why is it, BTW, that a priest from North Dakota, of all places, can claim with MORAL CERTAINTY that the worldwide Consecration never occurred, contra all the statements from the Vatican? Does this priest know more than ANYONE else?

[Stingray51]

Are you talking about Fr. Gruner? I don't know much about that whole consecration of Russia controversy. I thought all the bishops in the whole world were supposed to do it together, but didn't. But it's not something I've spent any time investigating or thinking about. (The one thing I can say is that it doesn't look like Russia has made much headway towards conversion. So far.)

As for your other points, I basically agree.