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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: Karsus
barf
41 posted on 12/10/2002 12:03:16 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: No dems 2002
Homosexuals have no rights in the eyes of God to engage in deviant behaviour and they shouldn't in the eyes of man either.

Well, your opinion is a very good reason for separation of church and state. Regards.

42 posted on 12/10/2002 12:03:38 PM PST by Lev
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To: Karsus
Notice how you are using the liberal's debate tactic.....strawman arguments meant to evoke emotion instead of logic. These laws aren't meant to deter heterosexual activity and you know it.
43 posted on 12/10/2002 12:04:18 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: thetruckster
Tuck in your shirt.
44 posted on 12/10/2002 12:04:25 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Pahuanui
Pure roots? As pure as what, pray tell?

As pure as the African blood of the slaves used to pick the cotton.
45 posted on 12/10/2002 12:04:58 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: Texaggie79
And Romans says the government is the sword of God.

Your point is?

There has to be a balance between moral laws and the government, I will agree. But to say they have no Biblical place whatsoever is a bit of a stretch.
46 posted on 12/10/2002 12:05:42 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: smith288
Right, let's just let our society be poisoned by perverts. Don't judge the paedophiles, after all they're your fellow man, too. Don't judge the thieves or anybody else.

Cut it out.
47 posted on 12/10/2002 12:07:16 PM PST by No dems 2002
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To: Liz
If it's wrong to control sodomy, why wouldn't it also be wrong to control prostitution? Consenting adults are consenting adults, whether for fun or profit.

48 posted on 12/10/2002 12:07:30 PM PST by xzins
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To: smith288
We also are told not to be judge of fellow man.

"Let any amongst you who are without sin cast the first stone."

I love how liberals/libertarians who have never touched a Bible know that passage, yet they stop short of the point where Jesus told the woman, "GO AND SIN NO MORE!"

Jesus had to power to forgive the woman, because Jesus is Almighty LORD of the Universe.

Jesus never called for an end to man's law so that man can do what is right in his own eyes.

The passage on Judging is prohibiting hypocracy, people judging people while doing the same things in their own private lives. That is what the people the passage was intended for where doing. Biblical Passages must be read in Context.

In Context the Biblical passages on this issue are very clear:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." (KJV) Leviticus 18:22

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them."(KJV) Leviticus 20:13

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)

"There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel." (KJV) Deuteronomy 23:17

There are more like the above, but you get the point.

For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:30-31 NKJV

I rejoice when I reflect that God is Just, and that his Justice cannot sleep forever.

49 posted on 12/10/2002 12:08:09 PM PST by FF578
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To: Texaggie79
I agree with you... I am about as fundalmental as you can get as a Christian with me not having a Santa Claus at Christmas and not taking part in Holloween and no abortion at all as it is an innocent life, HOWEVER, this is not a reflection of law that Jesus prescribed to. Stealing, killing, being unfaithful to your spouse were some of his laws he prescirbed to.

Outlawing unsavory sexual positions with another person isnt something Jesus commanded man to uphold in the name of human decency.

I am not an advocate of this disgusting act but in my learning, these people are to be won over with Gods word, not mans law.
50 posted on 12/10/2002 12:08:25 PM PST by smith288
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To: Liz
How exactly are sodomy laws enforced?
51 posted on 12/10/2002 12:08:34 PM PST by Portnoy
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To: FF578
What, in your opinion, is "unnatural deviate sex"?
52 posted on 12/10/2002 12:08:44 PM PST by Karsus
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To: rwfromkansas
Please look up the word fact on http://www.dict.org.

"Thirteen states ban consensual oral and anal sex, regardless of sexual orientation; Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Texas ban homosexual sodomy only. California repealed its ban in 1975."
53 posted on 12/10/2002 12:09:51 PM PST by Karsus
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To: TheAngryClam
I said Civilized Society. The Athenians were not civilized. Any society that endorses immorality is not civilized.
54 posted on 12/10/2002 12:10:33 PM PST by FF578
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To: Lev
Sodomy doesn't have to mix church and state.

All of our fundamentals came from God-given principles, anyway. We know murder is wrong, we know stealing is wrong, etc. And, yes, we know homosexuality is wrong, too. Why should it be legal?

It shouldn't. It's just another disease of society that deserves no protection. Of course, there will always be those who practice it in secret, but at least society should keep it tabooed, and this DOESN'T endorse any particular religion, just common sense and fundamental principles.
55 posted on 12/10/2002 12:11:00 PM PST by No dems 2002
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To: Karsus
True. But, how many heterosexuals get hauled in for it?
57 posted on 12/10/2002 12:13:16 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: FF578
Do you hold my faith suspect because I disagree with a govt telling people how to have sex?

Perhaps you should try to know me more rather than accuse me of being a liberal homosexual, using Gods word to my advantage.

I expect an apology but wont hold my breath.

58 posted on 12/10/2002 12:13:17 PM PST by smith288
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To: FF578
"The Athenians were not civilized."

Somehow I suspect that the many, many fans of Plato and Aristotle among Christian thinkers, would disagree with you. As would most people with any sense of history.
59 posted on 12/10/2002 12:13:42 PM PST by TheAngryClam
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To: FF578
The Athenians were not civilized.

I agree. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were barbarians.
60 posted on 12/10/2002 12:13:42 PM PST by BikerNYC
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