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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: Karsus
Harry Potter! Well that does it. I am going to have to side with ff578.

You sir are worse than Hitler!

221 posted on 12/10/2002 2:32:41 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: FF578
Too hysterical. There are plenty of married couples that tonight in NC will enjoy oral sex. And you know what? You cannot do a damn thing about it. So, sit home and get an ulcer out of the fact that you cannot control people.
222 posted on 12/10/2002 2:33:28 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Karsus
"We also play Dungeons & Dragons together. What should happen to us because of that? PS. We read Harry Potter & LOTR too!"

If you throw in "Twister," then I am afraid I will be right beside FF578! Now quit digging yourself in deeper.



224 posted on 12/10/2002 2:35:15 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: mason123
But it's to answer the very type of question that I was begging that we have a judicial branch.

No, that's why we have a legislative branch.

225 posted on 12/10/2002 2:35:28 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Bella_Bru
Just dont tell him about your body modifications.
226 posted on 12/10/2002 2:36:22 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I bet he has never tried honey dust.
227 posted on 12/10/2002 2:37:45 PM PST by Bella_Bru
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To: Roscoe
Okay. My point is that state sanctioned or religious sanction marriages are not always considered valid in other countries and other religions. So his point about "sex is for husbands and wifes" is meaningless. I am more commited to my mate as a husband then any Elvis minister in Las Vegas could ever pronounce. If I'm not married in the eyes of the Christian church, I may be in the eyes of the Navajo. If I'm not legally married in the eys of the State of California, I may be in the eyes of Common Law.

To further elaborate, I'm not a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Pagan, or a subscriber of any other organized religion. So there is no controlling godly power to provide authority for me to have sex. And any California state laws that apply could become null and void depending on the society or culture I move to. Getting my point?

228 posted on 12/10/2002 2:38:42 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Bella_Bru; FF578
I think he is upset because his wife has taken to ignoring him for The Jack Rabbit
229 posted on 12/10/2002 2:40:04 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: A Navy Vet
Your point was addressed above: Get a cantolope. Maybe a warm loaf of bread. I am still negotiating that.
230 posted on 12/10/2002 2:40:30 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
Apple pie baby, apple pie!
231 posted on 12/10/2002 2:41:38 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: FF578
I have seen libertarians on this very forum call for an end to age restrictions.

Curious. Throughout history, wives have been taken as young as what 12? 14? In Christian societies with societal sanction .

How come all of a sudden, you are more moral than they are?

And if God makes a woman able to conceive child at age 15, who are you to say that she may not?

You knuckledraggers are good for hours of entertainment with your contradictory delusions...

233 posted on 12/10/2002 2:41:55 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: A Navy Vet
In his world you would more than likely be killed because you do not believe in God.

235 posted on 12/10/2002 2:42:44 PM PST by Karsus
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To: FF578
Hey American Taliban? Do you want to put women in burkas too?
236 posted on 12/10/2002 2:43:57 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: What is the bottom line
Bible will be outlawed and concentration camps for Christians will sprout up throughout the land.

Correct, but I promise, if and when that day comes, they will never take me alive, and I will take a whole bunch of them with me.

237 posted on 12/10/2002 2:44:16 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
I said Civilized Society. The Athenians were not civilized. Any society that endorses immorality is not civilized.

Circular logic. Invalid.

238 posted on 12/10/2002 2:44:31 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: What is the bottom line
I honestly believe that the time is going to come when we are pushed into another civil war. This time it will be liberal/libertarian VS Conservative.

The Liberal/Libertarian agenda can only be pushed so far on the Conservative Red America. There is a point where people will say enough is enough.

If God chooses to wait to return, it will be inevitable.

239 posted on 12/10/2002 2:46:00 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
"I already said that I believe the Death Penalty should apply to sodomy."

Nice. Well, that would certainly address the population problem since most heterosexual couples perform oral sex. You're one scary dude or dudette.

240 posted on 12/10/2002 2:46:17 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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