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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: weegee
Obligatory joke: How do you determine if a woman is committing beastiality with her pet dog? He gets excited every time she yawns.
181 posted on 12/10/2002 1:58:26 PM PST by weegee
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To: Liz
. . . any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth. . .

Hold the phone!

182 posted on 12/10/2002 1:58:51 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: FF578
You have so far ignored my question. Please answer.

"So if my wife gives me oral sex then I/She/We should be killed?"
183 posted on 12/10/2002 2:00:39 PM PST by Karsus
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To: Saundra Duffy
Hold the phone!

No, it's not the phone, but you are getting warmer.
184 posted on 12/10/2002 2:00:55 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: weegee
"How do you enforce a law against beastiality without looking in bedrooms with the sex stormtroopers? < /sarcasm >" Well, there's always The Shadow. He knows. Anyway, did you know that dog humping is usually not a sign of sexual desire, but a dominance display by the dog. I'm reminded of the true story of this idiot who shot his dog dead because his dog tried to hump another male dog. This idiot accused his dog of being gay and, since the guy hated gays, he killed his own dog. Of course, the dog was acting more like this guy: being a macho d*ckhead. It's true when they say, ignorance kills.
185 posted on 12/10/2002 2:01:46 PM PST by mg39
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To: dflan1973
I'm gay. My partner and I had sex in our house on Sunday night.

SUNDAY NIGHT!?!?!? I blame the 3 touchdowns called back against the Patriots on your sexual appetite, bub. God knew it was coming so he slapped my Patriots around beforehand.

Please send a check for reparations to my email box.


186 posted on 12/10/2002 2:04:53 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: weegee
Animals don't live in a realm of consent. It is animal instinct. Desires for sex and food (as well as defending offspring at times) are how animals live.

Animals understand two things, food and pain. And not neccesarily in that order.

187 posted on 12/10/2002 2:07:02 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: FF578
"One Man, And One Woman who are Married."

Weak. You're avoiding the underlying question which is what constitutes a "marriage"? I'm not being facetious. You stated that sex is for a husband and wife (married heterosexuals). I'd like to know who or what proclaims when those two are "married". Forget the homosexuals for a moment.

188 posted on 12/10/2002 2:07:25 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: Lev
I would assert that you only believe murder is wrong out of your own self-preservation and self-interests and out of the Judeo-Christian heritage that has influenced you whether you choose to admit it or not. My guess is that for people motivated by wanting to maintain their own life only, would not be so quick to step in if it is not them who is being murdered or if their own self-interests and preservation involved the murder of another. Not saying you'd go that road, but I'd trust the person with fear of God's retribution for murder over the person who because the status quo now that murder is wrong, says murder is wrong. For many years the status quo among thoughtful men was that murder was ok for any number of reasons like honor, vengence, etc. You can't tell me if you were raised in another culture where such a thing is acceptable that you would have come to a conclusion that murder is wrong and if you did, I would say that God had a hand in that little conscious of yours--believe it or not He can work in people who have not had "exposure" to His Word in the form of conscience. You my friend, are the beneficiary of a Judeo-Christian culture whether you choose to claim it or not. It helped shaped your ideas about murder. If you were amongst the pagan barbarian hordes, I dare say you would have "all on your own" thought murder was acceptable for vengence, power, etc and would have been claiming that your barbarian culture had no influence over your beliefs.
189 posted on 12/10/2002 2:07:36 PM PST by glory
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To: mg39
"Anyway, did you know that dog humping is usually not a sign of sexual desire, but a dominance display by the dog."

Do you mean I wasted all that money on dinner and a show. I was feeling special, not anymore. Thanks for nothing.

By the way, I shot my dog too. Not because I thought he was gay... I thought he was cheating on me.

Dang!! Live and learn!!
190 posted on 12/10/2002 2:09:03 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: MEGoody
You were amazed at the question because you can't or refuse to see where it's leading. I'll ask you the same follow-up question: Who or what determines whether a man and a woman are commited to marriage? I'd like to know so I can have righteous sex with my mate.
192 posted on 12/10/2002 2:11:44 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: mg39
Anyway, did you know that dog humping is usually not a sign of sexual desire, but a dominance display by the dog.

Dogs don't hump chairs to "dominate" them. There are times that they can be downright "horn dogs". That said, they will also eat fecal matter. Dogs aren't always smart; maybe some are trying to dominate their surroundings.

I am aware of the whole dominance angle. Guards will permit prisoners to rape other prisoners (it gives one a sexual release and makes other prisoners submissive/compliant to the prison system).

Those who say homosexuality is natural because they see signs of it in the animal kingdom need to look a little closer to this "pet" issue of theirs.

193 posted on 12/10/2002 2:13:34 PM PST by weegee
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To: Emmylou; dflan1973
I REJOICE when I reflect that God is Just and his Justice cannot sleep forever.

I promise you, while I am on this earth, I will fight you freaks till my dieing breath.

You may have the cities, but Red America, the America that is hardworking, knows the difference between right and wrong, will never endorse or accept you. That is REAL America.

You want our children. I tell you, you will have to kill us to get them. I know There are not enough of you with backbone enough to actually attempt that, but still the offer is there.

You are a scourge on society, and blight, a cancer. You must never be allowed to corrupt and destroy the nation. Whatever it takes to stop you and your agenda is enough.

You talk about you hollow victories, how come everytime the people vote on you and your agenda you lose. Even Kalifornia capital of the sodomites voted to uphold marriage as between one man and one woman.

You and your ilk are evil, you cannot produce children so you try to recruit ours.

As God is my witness, you will never get mine. No matter what it takes.

No matter how much society appears to change, the law on this subject has remained steadfast from the earliest history of the law, and that law is and must be our law today. The common law designates homosexuality as an inherent evil... ---- Chief Justice Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court

194 posted on 12/10/2002 2:13:36 PM PST by FF578
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To: mg39
Was the dog named Sparky?


195 posted on 12/10/2002 2:14:24 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Emmylou
Be a homo all you want. Just keep it in the bedroom. Same gender sex is, was and always shall be considered to be a sin by the heavenly Father. Would I fire you if I happened to find out you were gay? No. Would I fire you if you got caught getting it on in the company restroom (or even in a public park)? Yes.
196 posted on 12/10/2002 2:16:17 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: nicks bad seed
"However, if the man wants to screw a cantelope he won't fall under the definition of deviant sexual intercourse. "

Quick. What about a loaf of warm bread? Hurry!
198 posted on 12/10/2002 2:16:43 PM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: A Navy Vet
MARRIAGE. A contract made in due form of law, by which a free man and a free woman reciprocally engage to live with each other during their joint lives, in the union which ought io exist between husband and wife. By the terms freeman and freewoman in this definition are meant, not only that they are free and not slaves, but also that they are clear of all bars to a lawful marriage. Dig. 23, 2, 1; Ayl. Parer. 359; Stair, Inst. tit. 4, s. 1; Shelford on Mar. and Div. c. 1, s. 1.

Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

If you have a point, try making it.

199 posted on 12/10/2002 2:17:41 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: A Navy Vet
"Who or what determines whether a man and a woman are commited to marriage? I'd like to know so I can have righteous sex with my mate."

Only you can determine if you are committed for life - no other human being can. Of course, God knows as well.

Man, the dumb questions keep coming.

200 posted on 12/10/2002 2:18:31 PM PST by MEGoody
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