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UNNATURAL LAW (Supremes to review sodomy laws) liberal barf-and offensive content alert
NEW YORKER ^ | 12/16/02 issue | Hendrik Hertzberg

Posted on 12/10/2002 11:21:41 AM PST by Liz

Like whist, whilst, and self-abuse, the word sodomy has an old-fashioned ring to it. You don't even see it alluded to much anymore, except in punning tabloid headlines about the situation in Iraq. But it—or its kissin' cousin, the nearly as archaic-sounding "deviate sexual intercourse"—can be found in the criminal codes of thirteen states of the Union, where it is punishable by penalties ranging from a parking-ticket-size fine to (theoretically) ten years in prison.

Even at this late date, many people are vague about just exactly what sodomy is. Montesquieu defined it as "the crime against nature," which is not especially helpful. Blackstone called it "the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast," which gets us a little further, but not much. Back in the U.S.A., the statute books tend to be franker. Some states bring animals into the picture, some don't. The Texas Legislature's definition is nonzoological.

SKIP THIS IF EXPLICIT LANGUAGE OFFENDS. According to Section 21.01 of the Texas Penal Code (readers of delicate sensibilities may at this point wish to skip down a few lines), " 'Deviate sexual intercourse' means: (A) any contact between any part of the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person; or (B) the penetration of the genitals or the anus of another person with an object."

RESUME READING HERE What the Lone Star State does and does not view as some kinda deviated preversion became of national interest last week, when the United States Supreme Court agreed to consider Lawrence v. Texas. The Lawrence of the case is John G. Lawrence, fifty-nine years old, of Houston, who, on the evening of September 17, 1998, was in his apartment with a guest, Tyron Garner, who is thirty-five. Texas got involved when police, having been tipped off by a neighbor that a "weapons disturbance" was in progress, busted down the door. (The tip was a deliberate lie on the part of the neighbor, who was later convicted of filing a false report.)

What the officers found Lawrence and Garner doing is really none of our business, any more than it was any of Texas's; suffice it to say that it was consensual, nonviolent, and noise-free. The two men were arrested, jailed overnight, and eventually fined two hundred dollars each. They appealed, a three-judge panel of a district appeals court reversed their conviction, the full nine-judge appeals court reversed the reversal, and the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals declined to do any more reversing. And so to Washington.

The statute under which Lawrence and Garner were convicted, Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, is officially known as the Homosexual Conduct Law. Ironically, this statute was a product of the progressive mood of the early nineteen-seventies. In most of the states that still criminalize sodomy, it doesn't matter, legally, whether a couple engaging in behavior (A), above, consists of two men, two women, or one of each.

That's how it was in Texas, too, until 1974. In that bell-bottomed year, the Texas Legislature made heterosexual sodomy legal, but it couldn't quite bring itself to do the same for gays. The result is that Texas is now one of only four states (the others being Kansas, Missouri, and Oklahoma) where it is a crime for gays to please each other in ways that are perfectly legal for straights. The panel that overturned the conviction saw this as discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

The full state court disagreed. Rather, confirming what Anatole France called "the majestic egalitarianism of the law, which forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges," the court pointed out that in Texas homosexuality is illegal for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. No discrimination there.

According to the Times's Linda Greenhouse, the Supreme Court probably wouldn't have taken the case unless a majority had already decided to "revisit" Bowers v. Hardwick (1986), which upheld the constitutionality of Georgia's sodomy law.

The decision in that case—by a vote of five to four, as with so many of the Court's clunkers—was an embarrassment. Both its language and its reasoning were shockingly coarse. Writing for the majority, Justice Byron White defined "the issue"—leeringly, sarcastically, obtusely, and repeatedly—as "whether the Federal Constitution confers a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy," or protects "a fundamental right to engage in homosexual sodomy," or extends "a fundamental right to homosexuals to engage in acts of consensual sodomy." Any such claim, he added, "is, at best, facetious."

Caricaturing the well-established constitutional right to privacy in this nyah-nyah way is like dismissing the First Amendment as being all about the right to make doo-doo jokes. It was left to the author of the dissenting opinion, Justice Harry Blackmun, to point out, quoting Justice Brandeis, that the case was really "about 'the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men,' namely 'the right to be let alone.' "

Justice Lewis Powell, who tipped the balance in Bowers v. Hardwick, expressed regret years later that he had voted the way he did. He's gone now. John Paul Stevens, who dissented, William Rehnquist, now Chief Justice, and Sandra Day O'Connor are the only holdovers from the Court that upheld Georgia's sodomy law (which, by the way, was thrown out, a few months after Lawrence and Garner were arrested in Houston, by Georgia's supreme court, for violating Georgia's constitution).

Half the states that had sodomy laws when Bowers was decided have got rid of them, and those that still have them seldom enforce them. But when they are enforced the consequences can be more onerous than it may appear. Lawrence and Garner aren't just out four hundred bucks; they may also be banned from certain professions, from nursing to school-bus driving, and are deprived of other privileges denied to persons who have been convicted of "crimes of moral turpitude."

Anyway, sodomy laws are a standing insult to, among others, millions of respectable citizens who happen to be gay. They are an absurd anachronism and an obvious violation of the right to privacy. Whatever they may have represented in Montesquieu's day, or even Byron White's, in 2002 they are nothing but an expression of bigotry. If the Supreme Court takes a truly honest look at Section 21.06 of the Texas Penal Code, it will surely agree with the view of Dickens's Mr. Bumble: this is one case where, at bottom, "the law is a ass."

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To: FF578
To: FF578; Roscoe; Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad; fortheDeclaration Pinging the good guys. The Liberaltarians are at it again!

Nice ping list. Perhaps you can be persuaded to add Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Goebbels, and Marx to it also. Just to round it out, you know....to put some moderates on there.
161 posted on 12/10/2002 1:40:31 PM PST by SandfleaCSC
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To: FF578
I don't need help. I'm wondering what criteria YOU use to define "husband and wife".
162 posted on 12/10/2002 1:41:58 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: weegee
The neighbor was convicted of fraudulently reporting this incident to the police and sentenced to 30-days in jail.

Frudulently reported "weapons disturbance"........

164 posted on 12/10/2002 1:45:26 PM PST by Liz
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To: A Navy Vet
"Define "husband and wife", please."

A "husband" is a person of male gender who has committed (in every sense of the word) to love, honor and care for a specific female for the remainder of his life. A "wife" is the counterpart of the "husband" and has also committed (in every sense of the word) to love, honor and care for a specific male for the rest of her life.

Is that clear or do you have questions?

165 posted on 12/10/2002 1:45:35 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: A Navy Vet
One Man, And One Woman who are Married.
166 posted on 12/10/2002 1:45:42 PM PST by FF578
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To: mason123
I wouldn't be so sure about O'Connor if I were you.

Partcularly since gay Republicans are now a significant force in her home state's Legislature. One of them is engaged in a long-running battle to overturn the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" rule.

167 posted on 12/10/2002 1:45:49 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: BikerNYC
Sorry - your right. Biker chicks are hot!!

I really don't care what these people do in the privacy of their own homes. But the problem seems to be that once we stop making an issue of their behavior, they begin to demand equality with normal people as far as their behavior abberrations are concerned, i.e. homsexual marriages, adopting children, benefits for their "life partners", literature in schools elaborating their sexual practises and presenting it as normal and acceptable, etc.
168 posted on 12/10/2002 1:45:57 PM PST by ZULU
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To: mg39
Animals cannot consent to sex in any meaninful way, so no, I would keep bestiality illegal.

Ever see a dog hump someone's leg or a piece of furniture?

Animals don't live in a realm of consent. It is animal instinct. Desires for sex and food (as well as defending offspring at times) are how animals live.

I'd certainly say that an animal humping human legs is an indication of a desire for a sexual release with a human.

You write the law. Is the pet owner required to put the pet outside? Call the pound and have the animal put to sleep? How to do you legislate the ordinance to ensure that this animal stops its action?

I have no pets; make it as draconian as you wish.

169 posted on 12/10/2002 1:46:12 PM PST by weegee
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To: smith288
being unfaithful to your spouse>>

Ok, you talked of Jesus and the things he abhored, you brought up the above. I want to correct you--Jesus also abhored promiscuity of the unmarried type(Go and sin no more Mary M.) and at the very least I think as Christians we can agree that since a man and man or a woman and a woman could NEVER marry in God's eyes and with His blessing, no matter if it is made legal in the state's eyes, than homosexuals ALWAYS are displeasing to God at least in the realm of promiscuity and unmarried sex. I think it would have been more genuine for you to say you don't think the state has a hand in changing this behavior if that is what you believe, but to say that Jesus somehow sanctioned, or at least turned a blind eye to it, it ridiculous. If that is so, than why is there even a need for you to win a homosexual with the word if Jesus had no problem with it? Your priorities seem a little mixed up. We tell the Santa tale, but he is presented as the Saint he was and as a believer in Jesus Christ, we however do not let our children believe a fairytale that Jesus tolerated immoral behavior like homosexuality.
170 posted on 12/10/2002 1:46:35 PM PST by glory
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To: MEGoody
Much More Specific. Good Job.

You know it really isn't that hard, unless you have a bad case of liberalitis.

171 posted on 12/10/2002 1:47:45 PM PST by FF578
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To: FF578
One Man, And One Woman who are Married.

Do they have to have gotten a license? Or is being married in a church (without the legal mumbo-jumbo) good enough?
172 posted on 12/10/2002 1:48:01 PM PST by BikerNYC
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To: SandfleaCSC
Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Goebbels, and Marx

Who all believed that they were above the law.

173 posted on 12/10/2002 1:50:09 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: FF578
LOL I was a bit amazed at the question.
174 posted on 12/10/2002 1:50:48 PM PST by MEGoody
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To: weegee
Ah weegee, why'd you go delve into that? Okay, I was going to write that animals cannot consent in any meaningful way. That's the same standard which underlies statutory rape laws. Sure, a 12 year old girl can consent, but consent, and consent in a meaningful way, are two different things.
175 posted on 12/10/2002 1:52:38 PM PST by mg39
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To: Liz
Seems that threads like these don't need an actual article anymore on FR. Just post the headline and the same arguments will be posted with no regard to content of the article.
177 posted on 12/10/2002 1:53:46 PM PST by weegee
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To: mason123
Yes, slavery was such a pure institution. Aren't we lucky we're Americans? At least our country used to be perfect, even if it isn't now. >>

Oh give it a rest. Slavery was immoral and even our forefathers were beginning to understand their hypocracy. I dare say slavery would still be legal(and is actually in some AFRICAN countries) were it not for the US and the concious of the people in it. Homosexuality in most places is also legal, as is abortion, etc etc...it does not make it moral, anymore than legal slavery in this country was moral. We were moving in the right direction in this country when we eliminated slavery and gave personhood to people like women and minorities with voting privileges--we decided to stand for what was right and moral, not what was just legal. And how about you, will you stand with what is right and moral, or only what is legal or you think should be legal?
178 posted on 12/10/2002 1:54:40 PM PST by glory
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To: mg39
How do you enforce a law against beastiality without looking in bedrooms with the sex stormtroopers? < /sarcasm >
179 posted on 12/10/2002 1:57:07 PM PST by weegee
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To: FF578
You seem to have a deep and abiding interest in sodomy. Exactly what do you think the state's compelling interest is in maintaining a law that it rarely, if ever, enforces anyway? Do you feel that as long as this law's on the books, homosexuality will be on the ropes?

Damn. On FR, I've never read anyone more concerned about what goes on in someone else's bedroom than you. Some conservative you are: sticking your nose into other peoples' business.

180 posted on 12/10/2002 1:58:09 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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