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Arizona militia set to patrol border for illegal aliens
Washington Times ^ | 12/09/02 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 12/08/2002 11:01:45 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:59:34 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A former kindergarten teacher who has organized a 600-strong militia in Arizona will station 50 armed militia members on public land this weekend to "protect their country" against an invasion of illegal aliens, warning federal authorities

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To: home educate
Yes there is, but suprisingly I never use the lists. Perhaps someone else can help you. I am sorry that I couldn't.
181 posted on 12/09/2002 8:35:34 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: nicmarlo
I read on a thread that the drug cartel is making more money importing human beings into our country than drugs. This is not isolated to illegal Mexicans, it is also happening with Middle Easterners, Asians, and others.

Drug cartels are certainly moving into the illegal alien smuggling business. They can make more money moving a middle eastern types and with no real chance of losing money. If you drop a load of drugs or it gets confiscated you lose your profit. With alien smuggling, you get paid up front and can cut and run and abandon your load without loss. Mexicans pay up to a few thousand dollars to be smuggled while OTM from islamic nations are paying upwards of 50 thousand dollars for the service.

182 posted on 12/09/2002 8:35:37 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Morrigan
"The question is, are they going to try to fight us over it?"

You bet...

183 posted on 12/09/2002 8:36:56 PM PST by alphadog
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To: Texasforever
Stand by what you said all you want ... on Klamath you are standing by something that is blatantly wrong and is easy to verify. That you would not verify so blatant an issue may say a lot about you and immediately makes your comments and thoughts regarding the other issue (the one regarding this thread) terribly suspect.
When was the judge's ruling?

Who determined that turning the water off to the farmers was the best way to implement the judge's ruling?

When was the water turned off?

Those issues are what turned the events in Klamath into a confrontation. Up until that time, the farmers were content to let the issue of the privatizatiohe irrigation system work itself out. There was no conforntation with the farmers up until then.

ALL of that happened under this adminstration's watch. You'd better check your timeline.

... and like I said, until you have stood before the guns, or taken the risk yourself ... don't speak to me about risks and what an easy go of it they had. No one sat back and thought about that ... everyone there knew that there was a very real risk of physical, violent confrontation over the issue of their livelihoods, their lives and their rights and liberties. I as there with them, slept on the ground with them, ate with them, faced the federal officers and officials with them, sa and felt the emotion and passion and know whereof I speak.

You can either take a first-hand account, or choose to continue to look through your rose colored glasses and call it something it as not. Your choice.

185 posted on 12/09/2002 9:12:34 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
and like I said, until you have stood before the guns, or taken the risk yourself ... don't speak to me about risks and what an easy go of it they had. No one sat back and thought about that .

For 8 long years the "patriot movement" sat by and did nothing when we had a real criminal in the Whitehouse and at the DOJ. There were NO armed patrols, no daring the administration to arrest them. After OKC the "militias" went so far underground a gopher couldn’t find them. Now that the coast is clear and flamethrower Janet is back in Florida the "patriot movement" is out again and talking tough. I don't buy it.

186 posted on 12/09/2002 9:24:30 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
You don't know what you are talking about and when called on it on the specirfic issue of Klamath, you resort to generalities.

The fact is a lot of good people have been risking everything right through the period, both here in the west and elsewhere. A lot of people have risked all, a lot of people have lost all. These issues are not dependent at all on who is or is not in the White House. Never have been. They are about the errosion of our constitutional rights irrespective of who is doing it or what type of bad-tails they pretend to be.

You are free to sit over yonder on the sidelines and catcall and whine and throw what you think are barbed, smart, clever comments. But like I said earlier, until you get out and place your all on the line regarding your own liberties or that of people you care about ... all of you talk comes across, as it is said, like a sounding brass or a tinkling symbol.

Anyhow, I've heard and responded more than enough.

187 posted on 12/09/2002 9:37:30 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
The fact is a lot of good people have been risking everything right through the period, both here in the west and elsewhere. A lot of people have risked all, a lot of people have lost all. These issues are not dependent at all on who is or is not in the White House. Never have been. They are about the errosion of our constitutional rights irrespective of who is doing it or what type of bad-tails they pretend to be.

Examples pleas.

188 posted on 12/09/2002 9:38:36 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Jeff Head
Anyhow, I've heard and responded more than enough.

I will read it in your next novel then.

190 posted on 12/09/2002 9:40:33 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
So basically you're saying "better never at all than late"?

I think the Tombstone Militia feels like the time is right. After 9/11, there is a much greater awareness about our border problems.

The general population seems to think something ought to be done about the pourous border but they see the FedGov doing nothing. In steps the Tombstone Militia to meet consumer demand........

191 posted on 12/09/2002 9:42:52 PM PST by kako
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To: kako
I think the Tombstone Militia feels like the time is right.

Sure they do, there will be personal danger from the administration. I know it, you know it and they know it. Watch for the fund raisers next.

192 posted on 12/09/2002 9:46:14 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I have nothing to prove to you.

Do the research yourself, just like myself and many, many others have. But in case there is an ounce of sincerity in your heart ... here are some names to get you started:

Maynard Campbell
John Pitner
Arthur Kobres
John Schaefer
DOnald Scott
Lazaro Gonzales
Donato Dalrymple
Elko County, NV and their hundreds of supporters (Jarbidge)
Donald Carleson

There are many, many more who one way or another stood up, faced tyranny at great risk ... some losing all ... some succeeding.

193 posted on 12/09/2002 10:07:22 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
I see one who was protecting an "illegal" alien. I will do some looking for the others but you do appear to be a bit hypocritical on that one.
194 posted on 12/09/2002 10:16:34 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
I see nothing hypocritical in the efforts of Elian's Uncle to protect him from going back to Cuba.

They stood up to a highly political and blatantly atrocious effort on behalf of the Clinton administration in a situation where a communist dictator as clearly using it to influence our nation.

' Elian should have been allowed to stay here.

But, like I said, I've said and read more than enough here. When you were called on your "facts" about Klamath, you generalized on other issues and changed the subject as if though your statements never existed.

What happened there, like so many other issues, was that some of your brave countrymen risked their all and stood up to tyranny ... in so doing, thank God, they were allowed a small measure of success and came to appreciate much more their liberty as a result ... all of us involved did.

You should try it some time.

I'll let the rest stand on its own.

195 posted on 12/09/2002 10:25:23 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
I have found most of those you cited and will post their "patriotic" acts later. I know you are through with the issue and I don't blame you given the weakness of your list. You only proved my point about the glaring silence and activities of the "Militia" movement until a Republican was safely installed in the Whitehouse.
196 posted on 12/09/2002 10:41:08 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: goody2shooz; TigersEye
My main fear is that the Mexican Army will start patroling or escorting illegals into our country rather than protecting drug runners.

      I don't remember the details, but O'Reilly had a report several months ago (as I recall) about armed Mexicans in uniform, inside the U.S., firing on the U.S. Border Patrol.
197 posted on 12/09/2002 10:47:56 PM PST by Celtman
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To: Texasforever
"....but they are not a Militia in the constitutional sense because they lack both the state and national sanction of being called up by either governmental body."

Tex...what are we going to do with ya???

UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are --

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia;

and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Clearly..NOT ALL Militia needs to be called up by the Government.

redrock

198 posted on 12/09/2002 11:22:26 PM PST by redrock
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To: redrock
From the Constitution

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

199 posted on 12/09/2002 11:31:48 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Stoner
Perhaps... grin.
200 posted on 12/09/2002 11:50:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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