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Piscataway gets OK to condemn farmland
New Jersey Star-Ledger | December 3, 2002 | Patrick Jenkins

Posted on 12/07/2002 5:39:00 AM PST by sauropod

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Angela Halper's email address is Exanasia@aol.com

This could be an excellent FReeper project to correct a huge injustice in the making.

My country has so changed from what it used to be. Soulless old men run it now. Look at this result!

'Pod

1 posted on 12/07/2002 5:39:00 AM PST by sauropod
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To: countrydummy
Done.
2 posted on 12/07/2002 5:39:18 AM PST by sauropod
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To: mhking; editor-surveyor; sheltonmac; JohnHuang2; Billie; redrock; NMC EXP; kitchen; kattracks; ...
Broken hearted ping!
3 posted on 12/07/2002 5:41:30 AM PST by sauropod
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Longhi restated his ruling from June 2000 that Piscataway had a legitimate purpose in taking the 75-acre tract...

"Legitimate purpose"? How does that compare with "compelling interest," may I ask?

Has the law changed that much?

4 posted on 12/07/2002 5:41:34 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Yes, my friend.

The State thinks that all property ultimately belongs to them and they let us own it on suffrage. 'Pod

5 posted on 12/07/2002 5:43:12 AM PST by sauropod
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"We've been lifelong Democrats but we just voted Republican because of what the Piscataway Democrats are doing," said Nancy Swarbrick.

"People have a right to own property," she said. "They're stripping away the Constitution."

After Longhi issued his ruling, Dan Swarbrick yelled, "You soulless old man. You're stealing a family's home. This is not over."

Clara Halper said the only good thing she sees coming out of the whole proceeding is that a strong property rights movement is growing across the country and in New Jersey.

"We are joining to protect and preserve what our forefathers fought for -- the American Dream. This is not what the authors of the Constitution envisioned," she said.

When the Stamp Act, Quartering Act, etc., were issued by the British government, I'm sure it seemed a dark time for the American colonists. However, in the final analysis these tyrannical dictates were beneficial, because they moved a great number of people off the fence and on to the side of the Revolution.

The result was ultimately our Free Republic.

We can only hope that this is the case here.

6 posted on 12/07/2002 5:45:36 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Coleus
FYI
7 posted on 12/07/2002 5:47:09 AM PST by Huck
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To: sauropod
He said the property would be used for open space, most likely passive pursuits such as hiking trails

????? That's the legitimate purpose? Condemn a farm and replace it with "open space"??????

8 posted on 12/07/2002 5:48:09 AM PST by Huck
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To: Illbay
Agree 1000%. This is where our country is heading though.

Acts like these are occurring across our land. 'Pod

9 posted on 12/07/2002 5:50:51 AM PST by sauropod
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To: Huck
Altruism trumping property rights. Particularly when it is the State's altruism, and they don't have to pay for the altruism.

They just come and take it.

I have to say that the usual course of events in cases like these is for the State to offer pennies on the dollar.

At least here, they are not insulting the farmowner with a ridiculous compensation offer. 'Pod

10 posted on 12/07/2002 5:53:07 AM PST by sauropod
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To: Huck
That's why I asked the question: Since when did "compelling interest" give way to "legitimate purpose"?

If you have no land available for a desperately needed new school, for example, and the only available acreage of any size is a chunk of farmland, THAT might be considered a "compelling interest."

But the fact is, from what I can see here (and I'm not familiar at all with this situation outside of what 'Pod has posted), it looks like the city of Piscataway is in the grip of Eco-freaks who all of a sudden, living on the East Coast, realized that there are a lot of people around and they think they need "nature." So they used this pretext that these people MIGHT sell to a developer as an excuse to condemn the land.

In the first place, it was only hearsay. In the second place, even if a developer DID buy the land to develop homes, the city has every right to expect the developer to come up with a plan to provide infrastructure and services to the development, so this is a red herring as well.

Cities in MY experience LIKE to have developed areas. Developed land pays higher tax rates, and economy of means leads to lower costs for services per capita.

The Lefties are lying through their teeth about this whole thing. That's my take on it. Here's hoping justice can be done on appeal.

11 posted on 12/07/2002 5:57:19 AM PST by Illbay
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At least here, they are not insulting the farmowner with a ridiculous compensation offer.

And how much would a developer pay for the land? I'll bet a lot more than what is being offered!
This is Communism, plain and simple.
12 posted on 12/07/2002 5:59:39 AM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: sauropod
This makes me sick. I grew up in Piscataway. Thirty five years ago there was enormous open space in the township which could have been purchased for next to nothing.

These people are being made to suffer the consequences of bad planning on the part of Piscataway.

13 posted on 12/07/2002 6:03:48 AM PST by freebilly
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To: sauropod
4mil for 75 acres,ha,you think thats fair?Thats just a little over $5000 an acre,thats super cheap.They should be offered no less than 10 mil,and have the right to reject any and all offers if they wish.
14 posted on 12/07/2002 6:06:26 AM PST by eastforker
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Mea Culpa. I hadn't thought it through all the way. You are correct. As are others on this thread. 'Pod
15 posted on 12/07/2002 6:10:01 AM PST by sauropod
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Ping!
16 posted on 12/07/2002 6:12:08 AM PST by sauropod
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That's correct; housing lots very close to me are now $5,000 an acre ,and I live 8 miles from the city limits. (not on the coast , either.)

I bet the imaginary 100 lots could sell for $20,000 each.

17 posted on 12/07/2002 6:13:20 AM PST by hoosierham
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To: Illbay
I agree with you and all the other comments about travesty of property rights being destroyed. But the following from the article is a mystery to me, and no one has commented on it:

The application died in August when the Halpers rejected an offer of slightly more than $3 million for the development rights for their farm, and the township restarted the condemnation.

Wahler said then and again yesterday that he did not understand why the Halpers rejected the offer since they could have kept the farm in perpetuity or, if they later decided to sell, could do so for market value to someone else who wanted to operate the farm.

In this case, I do not know what the complaint actually is. They could have kept their property, done whatever they wanted, except develop it commercially, and have received $3 million to boot.

I beleive that they should have been able to develop the land, if they wished, in this case it is not what they said they planned to do.

I don't think they should loose their land even now, but it seems they had a good deal going if they really only wanted to keep the land.

What do you think?

(Still agree their property rights have definitely been violated.)

Hank

18 posted on 12/07/2002 6:14:28 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: sauropod
My bad,not enough coffee yet this morning,not enough zeros,4 mill is 53,000 an acre not 5300.Still,they should have the right to reject offer if they want.
19 posted on 12/07/2002 6:15:53 AM PST by eastforker
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To: Illbay
That's why I asked the question: Since when did "compelling interest" give way to "legitimate purpose"?

Yeah. I understand your point. Huge difference there.

20 posted on 12/07/2002 6:19:41 AM PST by Huck
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