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CA: Dire visions of spending cuts offered
Sac Bee ^ | 12/6/02 | Margaret Talev

Posted on 12/06/2002 11:52:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:46:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: NormsRevenge
I would love to see a "Campaign Video Of Grey Out Davis" talking to children in the classrooms ... and telling them how he is so much behind improving "California Education and Making it his top priority" ... then along side another video ... showing all the issues and programs he is now going to take away from these same children ..... "Stay Tuned for Film @ 11"
21 posted on 12/06/2002 1:02:01 PM PST by GoldnGate
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To: NormsRevenge
Gray had better watch himself. If he isn't careful, he may provoke another Proposition 13 type rebellion among California taxpayers.

Would be lovely if he did, however. ;)

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 12/06/2002 1:03:00 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: NormsRevenge
LOL! The California State Employees Union endorsed Gray Davis for Governor. LOL!! They endorsed the guy who is going to cost STATE WORKERS their jobs. Today's newspaper says there will be THOUSANDS of state job cuts (not just hundreds like in the past). California needs to be a "right to work" state. P.S. We're doomed!
23 posted on 12/06/2002 1:19:53 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: NormsRevenge
The "education" budget is $30 billion, $10 billion of which never leaves Sacramento. If one were looking for a place to start cutting, there it is.
24 posted on 12/06/2002 1:34:47 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: NormsRevenge
All of these articles should have some additional information added, like a rewrite of this article( all figures made up guesses):

While Gov. Gray Davis, who gets paid $180,000.00 fine-tuned a plan he'll present today to shave $10 billion from California's growing deficit, advocates for schools, police, counties and cities spent Thursday unveiling "doom-and-gloom" scenarios they hope will spare them the knife.

Fearing $1.9 billion in cuts through June, educators called a news conference and talked of having to close schools early and lay off teachers, who gets paid $45,000.00 to $80,000.00/ SCHOOL YEAR . By the summer of 2004, some predicted, the governor would try to cut more than $4 billion from schools.

"I just see nothing but doom and gloom if we make major cuts," said Wayne Johnson, president of the California Teachers Association,who gets paid $130,000.00/ SCHOOL YEAR .

25 posted on 12/06/2002 1:51:57 PM PST by Mark
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To: NormsRevenge
Local government and law enforcement entities also went public with their fears. They warned that the bad economy that spurred the budget crisis will also force up unemployment and crime rates -- trends that should not be met with reduced welfare services and fewer police officers on the streets.

Of course if they'd let Californians have guns the crime rate would go down, like it does in all other states where gun ownership is high.

26 posted on 12/06/2002 2:09:05 PM PST by JoeFromSidney
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To: Thud
The conditions for the coming train wreck have been likened to what precedes a "Perfect Storm".

You and I and all of us are standing on the beach together waiting for the tsunami to hit... I hear rumblings already

.. but hang on .. have faith.. I am hopeful that sanity will prevail after the socialist 'Rats fling themselves and many taXpayers off the cliffs of Big Sur like lemmings to a "chosen" fate .. Liebrals live in a fantasy world..

Conservatives .. well .. it IS what it IS, as Clin-Tong would say.. we must deal with the issues at hand not deluding ourselves of the costs both ways.. and what we can afford, not just sell to a populace molded and manipulated by media and educational institutions stealing our youth, their innocence and futures at the same time..

A govt that lives off the largesse of the tax coffers , dies by the same lack of fullness therein.

I will be curious to see what Davis does..

If I was him, I'd resign ;-)
27 posted on 12/06/2002 2:18:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Coming up at 3 PM,, Davis budget cuts briefing ...

To those web enabled for webcats, go to www.calchannel.com, click on webcast and look for 3 PM.
28 posted on 12/06/2002 2:36:40 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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webcats=webcasts
29 posted on 12/06/2002 2:38:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Damn he is on right now ...
30 posted on 12/06/2002 2:42:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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he's blamed alan greenspan, a stagnant national economy, softness in high tech, may not be out of woods for years.

action must be taken to cut expenditures immediately.

reduce all departments to essential functions only, hiring freeze in effect, blah blah blah
31 posted on 12/06/2002 2:44:29 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
he flubbed big time
32 posted on 12/06/2002 2:45:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: Thud
They could fire every state employee and still be $6 billion in the hole. Fixing this will require major tax increases.

Raising taxes would result in an exodus of businesses and the middle-class. Remember the NYC experience

The only real way out for California is to terminate the Welfare State. If they made a real effort to assist the INS in deporting all illegal immigrants found on the welfare rolls or in the public schools, the budget would be balanced in a couple of months

33 posted on 12/06/2002 3:00:54 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Welfare is mostly an unfunded federal mandate, especially for medical care, and we're being creamed by illegal immigrants too just from school enrollment. Reimbursement for those federally inflicted problems would resolve about half the deficit. California is disproportionately affected by those two issues compared to the average for other states.

The other half of the deficit is definitely our responsibility alone, but it would be a lot more manageable then.

34 posted on 12/06/2002 3:13:26 PM PST by Thud
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CA: Davis proposes $10 billion in budget cuts
35 posted on 12/06/2002 3:43:18 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: geedee
No offense taken. California is morphing into Mexico against the will of Californians.
36 posted on 12/06/2002 5:53:27 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Thud
What kind of super-Pot are YOU smoking??? You have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about.

California has the HIGHEST State income tax in the nation at 9.3%. And even in state pensioners are taxed at the same rate.

State Income Tax Rates

California has the HIGHEST State sales tax in the nation at 7.5%.

State Sales Tax Rates

The only break we get compared with other states is the relatively low property tax rate. But since California homes cost about DOUBLE many other states, we still end up paying the same amount annually!

The low per-capita school spending is due to the over 300,000 children of illegal immigrants, as with another 1/2 million children of legal immigrants, some of whom have only just begun funding education through their taxes.

Do your homework next time you want to voice an opinion. And educated opinion carries more weight on FreeRepublic than an ignorant one.

37 posted on 12/06/2002 6:25:26 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
You just made a fool of yourself. You don't know the difference between absolute and relative numbers. Would you rather have 30% of $100, or 20% of $200? Can you count past five without taking off your belt?

The proper way to measure relative tax burdens between different states is to compare each state's total tax revenues as a proportion of that state's gross domestic product, expressed as a percentage. California is a relatively low tax state, using that method, because it is so wealthy - someone said in a previous post that California is No. 6 in per capita income despite having such a large proportion of poor illegal immigrants.

Most Western European countries have far higher proprotionate tax burdens than the U.S. using this method, but Americans pay more taxes per capita than any of them because our per capita income is higher. We pay more taxes than they do per capita in absolute numbers, but our relative tax burden is considerably less.

California's state budget disaster is not happening because this is a poor state or because the state government spends too much overall (though it sure does on some things - spending is way out of whack and that makes things worse than they would otherwise be). The state budget disaster is happening because of political idiocy - the voters' as well as the politicians.

And this train wreck was predicted in the fall of 1998 - it's just a lot worse than expected. The state government was hauling in a lot of capital gains taxes and the politicians all pretended it would last forever because, for them, it did. No incumbent legislator in the fall of 1998 will have to face the voters in 2004, in that same office, for the budget decisions they made then, because of term limits. The voters want legislators to have only 6-8 years in office, so the legislators don't care what happens after they're termed out.

So, in the fall of 1998, the Democratic and Republican legislators made a deal. The Democrats voted for tax cuts in the categories that produce taxes over the long term, and the Republicans voted for lots higher spending on things which would get legislators of both parties past the next four years of elections. Both sides got drunk on the brief spurt of capital gains taxes, and to hell with the public interest.

Now we face the higher, unnecessary, spending the Democrats wanted and the Republicans went along with, plus the far lower long-term tax revenues the Republicans wanted and the Democrats went along with, without having the billion$ in capital gains tax revenues we had in 1998. Plus all the other crap we're used to from the legislature.

Naturally the necessary spending decreases will come from areas which don't produce campaign contributions to legislators and/or the governor. The prison guards are safe, as are the education bureaucrats in Sacramento. Plus the new programs created in 1998-99.

38 posted on 12/06/2002 7:40:08 PM PST by Thud
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39 posted on 12/06/2002 9:17:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge
Presidential election map by county. Blue, of course, is Bush here.
40 posted on 12/06/2002 10:16:52 PM PST by I still care
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