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O.K. Think with me here. These people think that God approves of someone strapping on C-4, going into a market and blowing himself up just to kill and maim innocent women and children. Then, the perp believes, he's going to be transported to a whorehouse in eternity? Where's the morality in that?
1 posted on 12/06/2002 12:08:23 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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President Bush passed up a major opportunity to challenge Muslims to clean up their own house. More's the pity and the one thing Islam did not need is flattering praise of a morality it does not possess. Pat Robertson is right and President Bush should have told those at the mosque its time for Islam to begin its own Reformation and demonstrate to the rest of the world its truly civilized, tolerant, and peaceful.
2 posted on 12/06/2002 12:12:10 AM PST by goldstategop
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Bush isn't in a bar talking to his buddies on how he's gonna trash these people - he's the voice of 250 Billion on US !

Think about it !

6 posted on 12/06/2002 12:19:27 AM PST by america-rules
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Got to see through the window on this folks. If Bush comes out and says that this is a religion with big problems, then he turns the whole thing into a religious war crusade.

We can't fight this on 40 fronts, so expect him so pat them on the back while removing terror a bit at a time.

Some of the people he may be patting on the back now may eventually tapped on the shoulder to be held accountable for terror.

I think Bush knows this as well, but has to PLAY THE GAME for the sake of America and our troups.

We want to keep as much control and things going UNER OUR TERMS.
8 posted on 12/06/2002 12:23:39 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: hoosierskypilot; Thinkin' Gal; Prodigal Daughter; ex-Texan; Yehuda; Cachelot; Fred Mertz; ...
>President Bush yesterday removed his shoes, entered a mosque and praised Islam for inspiring "countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality."

The Islamization of America continues...here a little, there a little.  Bush is preferring a strange god to the G~d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  No man can serve two masters, not even Bush.

10 posted on 12/06/2002 12:32:13 AM PST by 2sheep
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George Stephanopoulos called the disagreement "a theological dispute which is driving a political wedge between President Bush and some of his conservative Christian allies."

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It's not a matter of theology. It's a matter of Bush being just plain Jimmy Carter certifiably nuts. Next week mayby he'll take two more wives and wear a dishtowell on his head.

12 posted on 12/06/2002 12:37:38 AM PST by RLK
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What the frick!!!!!?!?!?!?!?

"Yeah, just pet the nice doggie. Ignore its foaming, snarling mouth and crazed fear of water. Just pet it and sing to it and it will be nice to us."

iSLAM is a filthy, murderous, irrational, bloodthirsty, satanic death-cult hellbent on our annihilation. What a stupid spineless, ball-less Neville Chamberlan we have for PresiDUNCE! What the blazes is wrong with this frickin' moron? What is causing his fear/hatred of the truth?
24 posted on 12/06/2002 1:56:56 AM PST by Thorondir
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As much as I hate to say this, but I am really not impressed with George Bush's handling of this problem.

Is he pretending to be an idiot or is he just living in denial?

Seriously, What is it gonna take before Americans realize that ISLAM is not your friend?

Bush says that we are not at war with Islam, but Islam IS at war with us. What will it take before people realize this? Will it be too late?

25 posted on 12/06/2002 2:07:06 AM PST by expatguy
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What next Mr. President, women wear veils and we grow beards? Is that morality? I am afraid the President is on an iconoclastic crusade following Islam's. The President should let the churches and mosques debate in a sanctuary, he risks mixing terror war and religion, the exact thing he is trying to avoid.
32 posted on 12/06/2002 2:46:41 AM PST by lavaroise
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The first commandment of God to man is "Be fruitful and multiply". Genesis 1:28 KJV.

Christians don't follow it.

Muslims do.

That's why a bunch of camel-riding ragheads barely out of the 13th century are a serious threat to Western civilization.

33 posted on 12/06/2002 2:47:14 AM PST by wotan
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Move this stuff to the Religion Forum.
35 posted on 12/06/2002 2:49:11 AM PST by Consort
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BARF!!!!!

Head in the sand BUMP
40 posted on 12/06/2002 2:58:03 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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We'll see if Bush is still praising Arabs after he is Saddamized.


BUMP

44 posted on 12/06/2002 3:28:06 AM PST by tm22721
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This is a disgrace, and just another reason for Christians to stop calling this man a Christian. Islam is not a moral religion. Either Bush is a fool, or he is playing a game with politics.
45 posted on 12/06/2002 3:39:35 AM PST by RaceBannon
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The whole article . . .

For the second time since the September 11 terrorist attacks, the president yesterday visited Washington's oldest mosque, the Islamic Center, where Muslims from 75 nations gather to worship. Mr. Bush marked the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan by praising Islam as a hopeful religion of mercy and tolerance.

"Islam affirms God's justice and insists on man's moral responsibility," said the president, flanked by a half-dozen imams. "Islam gave birth to a rich civilization of learning that has benefited mankind."

The overture to Muslims came four days after religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Mr. Bush "ignores history" by not acknowledging that Islam is "violent at its core."

In an interview with The Washington Times last month, Mr. Robertson said he understood the president's political need for support from the Muslim world in the war on terrorism, but said the president should not speak about Islam as a religion and that he "is not elected as chief theologian."

The conservative commentator accused the president of succumbing to "political correctness" by praising the religion of terrorists who attacked America on September 11.

Mr. Robertson repeated that accusation on ABC's "This Week." The host, former Clinton aide George Stephanopoulos called the disagreement "a theological dispute which is driving a political wedge between President Bush and some of his conservative Christian allies."

That characterization was disputed yesterday by the White House.

"This may be an area where they disagree," a senior administration official said of Mr. Bush and his conservative Christian allies. "But there are areas of agreement."

The director of the Islamic Center, Abdullah Khouj, praised the president's visit and told him that it demonstrated "the value of human tolerance, a virtue taught by Islam and practiced here in America."

The president's visit came one day after a Pew Foundation poll found widespread anti-Americanism in some Muslim nations. With the United States preparing for war with Iraq, the administration is eager to mitigate rising tensions on the "Arab street."

White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said Mr. Bush "acknowledged the United States has a job to do and we have to bring people together between the United States and the Muslim world."

To that end, Mr. Bush praised American Muslims for "upholding our nation's ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace."

"Millions of our fellow Americans practice the Muslim faith," said Mr. Bush, a born-again Christian. "They lead lives of honesty and justice and compassion."

Mr. Robertson first criticized Mr. Bush in The Washington Times interview last month.

When Mr. Stephanopoulos reminded him of this quote, Mr. Robertson refused to back down from his assessment of the president's view of Islam.

"It ignores history," he said. "Any student of history knows that it's not a peaceful religion."

"It's violent at its core," he said. "There is absolute virulent hatred of Jews, and the idea that every Jew has got to be killed before the culmination of the age. That's what Islam teaches, and I think that's violent."

Other conservative religious figures have spoken out in recent months against Mr. Bush's frequent statements about the peaceful nature of Islam, including the Rev. Franklin Graham and the Rev. Jerry Falwell, the latter of whom called Islam's prophet Muhammad a "terrorist."

Deputy White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan disagreed.

"The president believes that America is a nation that welcomes people of all faiths — Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and many others," he told The Times. "He's made it very clear that the war on terrorism is not a war about religion. It's a war about good vs. evil."

Mr. Bush is not the only administration official making overtures to Muslims in recent weeks. Others who have participated in Ramadan events include National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, Commerce Secretary Donald L. Evans and Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill.

48 posted on 12/06/2002 4:28:52 AM PST by William Terrell
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This is very depressing. islam won a great deal with 9/11.. this just encourages them to attack more and more, since Bush is praising it as being good, each time it attacks us. Pretty sick.
49 posted on 12/06/2002 4:36:56 AM PST by Monty22
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There are a billion members of the Islamic faiths.

Like Christianity, Islam is not monolithic.

Islamofascism is as "islamic" as the KKK is Christian.

the saudi version of Islam is as "islamic" as many of the more narrowminded versions of Christianity that take phrases of the bible out of context and insist that everyone follow their narrow interpretation of the Bible?

Most Muslims are peaceful people, and have more in common with pious Baptists and Catholics than pro abortion liberals.

Bush is pointing this out, partly to prevent the coming invasion of (secular) Iraq being interpreted as a "religious war against Islam".

You guys are not helping him.
51 posted on 12/06/2002 7:20:21 AM PST by LadyDoc
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Islam affirms God's justice

Maybe it's just me, but I think President Bush was showing his usual careful political side. When he addressed the congress after 9/11, he made a comment about justice, something like if they didn't find justice, we'd bring it too them. I believe that the president was cleverly reiterating that thought here. I think that Islam is going to affirm, read prove, God's justice. God is a just God and I don't think He is standing idly by while Muslims hunt down and kill Christians. It also seems to me that God has given President Bush a role to play in His justice. I think the president knows it. And he told them that in their mosque.

54 posted on 12/06/2002 8:37:51 AM PST by twigs
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And I know guys that speak well of their x-wives in public, even though they were creeps in private. These guys know its not productive to go around bad-mouthing folks--it ain't gonna get you anywhere--and other women don't like it.

Its not what you say, its what you do.
56 posted on 12/06/2002 8:44:24 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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islam is the enemy!
58 posted on 12/06/2002 8:51:51 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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