'Gay' Reaction to Mrs. Stachowicz’s Murder: Silence to Applause

Culture and Family Institute/ Concerned Women for America ^ | 12/5/02 | Allyson Smith

[intolerancewillNOTbetolerated]

"The really great thing about that belief system is it gives you the rationale to discount conflicting viewpoints. Like the man said, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you."

Be glib and arrogant all you want...it is much easier to write off people like you as not worth the trouble. It certainly would make life easier...not to mention that it would make it so much easier to look "caring" because we wouldn't be "shoving our views down the throats of others" and your ilk would interpret that as the preferable and more sensitive thing to do...that is because you are blind to the consequences. Your rationalizations have been repeated time after time through the ages..."there is nothing new under the sun"...and the motivation for them is the same, as well.

I'm sure you're a fine human. No one is ever argued into the Light. I know...I used to be a proud reprobate myself. I respect your "right" to be wrong. That is my "rationale" for not bothering to spend any more of my time on this right now. Take care.

[UbIwerks]

Me people?" Yes, I am "villifying" the propoganda of CWA. "Denial" is more than a river in Egypt. You have mistaken propaganda for "evidence." That's "denial."

Yes.... Homosexuality is a deadly perversion and I don't think people who use harassing screaming tactics to change the DSM should be lecturing others about science or evidence.

Terroristic tactics against Narth meetings or the earlier ones against the APA in the late 60s and early 70s are not scientific methods -- even if homosexuals are the favored mascots of America's annointed.

[Bob J]

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[nanny]

[I do think that rapid technological change and urbanization have been rocking the foundations of world cultures for most of the past 100 years. As a result, people look for something stable to hang onto, and that often is religion. Unfortunately, demagogues who are most interested in personal promotion tend to move to politics and the pulpit. And what is the best way to pull people onto your side and get their support? Create an enemy. In this case, fundamentalist Christians have two: abortion and its supporters, and homosexuals. Just look at the action those topics receive here.]

I don't see that as the answer. Believe me that group of people were much more fundamentally religious then - than they are today. A divorce was a scandal then.

I will also say that had someone opened an abortion clinic in that town or had a doctor done abortions there - I am sure they would have not have been accepted or welcomed.

I think I can safely say if two homsexuals had showed up in their leather,e tc., the reaction would have been, well- 'interesting'.

Now my opposition to homosexualty and abortion has nothing to do with my needing some thing to cling to or my fear of technology. It has to do with something being wrong. Abortion is murder - pure and simple. Homosexuality is wrong - it is also very dangerous today. So what can I say. But thanks for your opinion. I didn't ask for opinions just to shoot them down. Thanks for taking the time.

[HiTech RedNeck]

When Stachowicz asked him, "Why do you [have sex with] boys instead of girls?"

She's not here to vouch for the accuracy of this quotation, but I am skeptical. It would be to imply that "having sex with girls" (note the plural, and no mention of marital status) would be an OK thing.

[Aquinasfan]

When Stachowicz asked him, "Why do you [have sex with] boys instead of girls?" Gutierrez snapped. In a fit of rage, he punched, kicked, stabbed and strangled the 51-year-old wife and mother of four.

Since he didn't have an argument he had to kill her. < /sarcasm>

[HiTech RedNeck]

By unbelieving you miss the answer to the question your own screen name poses. You ask us what is the bottom line? Well we ask you who said "I am the Alpha and the Omega".

[HiTech RedNeck]

[sarcasm] NOOOO!!! A gay man who has 'issues' with his mother?!?! You have got to be kidding me. I read a newspaper article once that said homosexuality was genetic! [/sarcasm]

National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has several writers who aver that this kind of connection is common. It certainly doesn't excuse what he did, but it would seem that a nagging, bossy woman is not likely to be an effective Christian witness to a 'gay' man. Too bad she didn't know that.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Trying again... something got screwed up with the HTML

[sarcasm] NOOOO!!! A gay man who has 'issues' with his mother?!?! You have got to be kidding me. I read a newspaper article once that said homosexuality was genetic! [/sarcasm]

National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has several writers who aver that this kind of connection is common. It certainly doesn't excuse what he did, but it would seem that a nagging, bossy woman is not likely to be an effective Christian witness to a 'gay' man. Too bad she didn't know that.

[MacDorcha]

"I must admit that I'm having a little trouble figuring out the posts to which you refer. Are you talking about your post that says: "it seems to me that by the set-up of the actual crime event, that the gay at first wanted to talk to her. it also seems the subject arose in discussion, not her whipping out a Bible and thwaking him in the head. the gay guy is a nutcase with severe emo problems?" I don't know that he "wanted to talk to her," it seems that she may have just shown up, or that they were getting together as aquaintances anyway. There doesn't seem to be any unusual "setup" to the crime."

which was my point... can you not read?

[MacDorcha]

"And if you think that gay men are not generally concerned about "looks"... then you probably don't know much about gay people. "

when did i ever say a thing about looks?

[MacDorcha]

"Then you said: from my accouts with knowing gays, most of them have problems with their parents (boys especially with their moms) and at the same time, have a severe lack of personal identity. gays on a psychological level are for the most part just people who dont know what they want out of life, and since being gay is rising in popularity, they are finding an easy to get into crowd. they dont have to worry about ability, or looks, or even origin. as long as they are gay, they feel they can "belong" to an increasingly accepted yet mentally and spiritually damaging group and lifestyle.

I'm not sure what to say... except that I strongly disagree. To my casual observations, gays don't have any more "problems" with their parents than anyone else, except for those whose parents cause problems. My relationship with Mom is excellent... except perhaps that she would like me to call more often."

from my determined observation, i say you are wrong. gays come mainly from families with domintating and problematic parents. in case you have never talked to one about their problems, you will notice that most of them have SEVERE problems with their parents. not just arguing, but abuse. now, if you think that all childern undergo this particular type of problem, you yourself have problems.


"My relationship with Mom is excellent... except perhaps that she would like me to call more often.""


unless you are telling me you are gay yourself, this has no relevance.

[MacDorcha]

i am saying, for the most part that homosexuality is a wrong choice made by a troubled mind. if you really think you are not disturbed in any way shape or form that may cause you to lean this way, go on a couch sometime. talk to a shrink. if you come up clean, then i got a lot of crow to eat. but i bet you that almost all gays have severe emotional problems. male or femlae. i made a comment earlier about "are you coming out" and that is only because i didnt read this post first.

[MacDorcha]

"Wait...a woman who harps day in and day out about the evils of gay men and women expects regrets and condolences from her targets? Am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, a human is a human, but why should we expect anything but "good riddances" from the subjects of her scorn? "

who the Hell said she was scorning them? she asked a question in an arguement. they got into that arguement by having a conversation first. they knew each other well enough that they both felt safe doing so. he let her in, or at least gave her a key.

[MacDorcha]

sure you get a moment or two off. because you live in a world influenced by both good and evil. you feel pain, you feel safe. at some point or another, you feel both. you know that there is a God because you stop feeling pain long enough to realize what pain is. your own logic traps you again.

[MacDorcha]

"The news doesn't make much of it, but there are thousands of Christians murdered around the world every year for no reason but that they are Christians.

Are you saying that Christians in America are so bereft of resources that they can't make noise about the murders of thousands of Christians? Why doesn't Robertson report this information? "

actually, what he said was THE NEWS doesnt make a deal of it. we as Christians do make a deal. you people dont listen is the problem.




"We are commanded to share the truth with the all the world, and warned that the world, who hates the Light, will hate us for it. You are merely one more example of the fulfillment of that prophecy.

The really great thing about that belief system is it gives you the rationale to discount conflicting viewpoints. Like the man said, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you."


funny, that same rational can be used against you as well.... stalemate? but wait! the Bible says a third of the world will believe, and the rest will not. care to take a stab at what the worlds percentage of believers happens to be? looks like we have fact on our side.