Caption - Palestinian Funeral in Gaza - Mustafa Sabah

Yahoo News Photos ^ | 12/5/02 | Reuters

[NormsRevenge]

Thu Dec 5, 7:33 AM ET

A masked Palestinian gunman holds a handmade rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) has approved plans that would seal off northern Israel from the West Bank by extending a security fence to defend against Palestinian attacks, government officials said. (Oleg Popov/Reuters)

[Hat-Trick]

Why is that IMPOSSIBLE? Moving the refugee state of palestine back to Jordan would prevent the very things you suggest could happen in your first post. Just because the current Israeli politicians lack the stones to do it does not make it impossible.

As far as I'm concerned, when Israel starts acting like a truly sovereign nation, regardless of how our meely-mouthed US politicians would react, they will be much better off. They should return to remembering exactly Whose nation and Whose people they are, and begin acting like it.

If they don't, then I'd say your first post describes some of the very likely outcomes for their tolerance.

Hat-Trick

[Alouette]

they will eventually have to give up a lot more to the Palestinians?

Such as what? ALL OF ISRAEL??? That still will not satisfy the "Palestinians" since they will insist that the area be 100% ethnically cleansed of Jews, just like all the other 22 Muslim Arab homelands.

Say, if you think it is such a terrible thing for Israel to become an "apartheid" Jewish state, why is it OK for the Palestinians to be an apartheid "no Jews allowed" state?

[Bill Davis FR]

abu bazooka

[Travis McGee]

Would you prefer that all Israelis just slit their own throats, or swim out into the sea and not return?

[Thinkin' Gal]

They say it's supposed to be a rocket, but this looks more like a bad case of envy to me.

[twyn1]

Okay -- the Settlement areas can be a "sore point" -- even some Israeli's agree that settlements should be abandoned -- but there are problems -- Just where do the people who live there go ? Is the Palestinian claim of "right of return" going to be imposed ? Who has a legitimate claim to the areas -- since some were abandoned by Arabs/Palestinians in the wake of a war that THEY started -- do they really have the right to expect them back (does Mexico have a legitimate claim to areas of the Southwest ? What about Native American lands ? Land that was taken from Germany in World War I & II ?) Are there important Jewish religious and historical sites in these areas -- would they be "respected" by Palestinians or bulldozed and re-claimed as Muslim "Holy Sites"? Palestinian self-policing has been a disaster, who would be in control in these areas -- I could go on and on....remember Palestinians claim that ALL of Israel belons to them (look at their official maps)

[Alouette]

While some Palestinians do want to push the Jews into the sea as they say, most do not. Once a legitimate, functioning Palestine is created, the rest of the Palestinians will simply put a stop to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, or are you just smoking crack?

[Jimmyclyde]

There was just pockets of land with no connection to the future state of Palestine.

There will never be a Palestine State on Israeli land.

Who cares what the birth rate is. The pallies use their children as bombs.

Israel on the other hand loves it's children. You tell me who is going to win this little war. The animals that kill their offspring or the parents that protect their children from harm.

The bottom line is the Palestinians kill their own kids.

Let them breed like rabbits, their already dead.

[twyn1]

Also I am not apologizing for the killing of innocents. That is sick. But its not like it hasnt happened in every single war

Had to reply to this separately -- you are apologizing -- you add the dreaded "but" word and then say that innocents are killed in every war -- we MUST make a very important distinction -- the Palestinians are DELIBERATELY targeting civilians -- they go after women and children, old people, targeting parties, shopping areas, restaurants, buses, and gathering areas outside of temples -- they rarely attack legitimate military sites or declare an open "war" because they know they'll be wiped out -- terrorism is ugly and cruel -- it is never justified

[Jimmyclyde]

While some Palestinians do want to push the Jews into the sea as they say, most do not. Once a legitimate, functioning Palestine is created, the rest of the Palestinians will simply put a stop to Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Why don't they put a stop to it now?

The Palestinian police was set up and armed(by Israel and the US) to stop terror.

Worked real well didn't it?

[Jimmyclyde]

And meanwhile, somewhere right now a Palestinian teenager who has seen nothing but violence and poverty his whole life, is strapping a bomb to his chest and is going to blow up some school children.

And this is exactly why the Palestinian birth rate means nothing.

Their babies are killing themselves.

Dead people don't breed.

[AppyPappy]

While some Palestinians do want to push the Jews into the sea as they say, most do not

And we know this because......?

[NormsRevenge]

I hear what you are saying, but I don;t think it is possible to mix oil and water. The long term solution is war... which is what we are actually watching be waged whether we want to admit or not. That is man's nature. Unfortunately, it appears more prevalent in the arab bloodlines for some reason.

The destruction of Israel is still the Arabs end goal. All this conjecture about what and if re: arab-israelis eventually becoming the majority and giving away the farm to the palies is ludicrous as well as delusional. If it happens, the Jews may as well sign their deeds over now and save their blood and families. But I don;t see that happening.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Basically, Israel has one chance to survive. Their problem is just like ours only a little more clearly defined and a bit further along.

They must create a clearly defined and defendable border and push all the unfriendlies outside. Otherwise they are all dead. Period.

Of course, I could be wrong about the religon of peace and mercy.

Sure.