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An Insult to Both Tolkien and America
Oregon Magazine ^ | December 4, 2002 | Larry Leonard

Posted on 12/04/2002 6:59:43 AM PST by WaterDragon

December 4, 2002, Charlie Rose (PBS) -- Viggo Mortenson. He is the actor who plays Strider (Aragorn of Arathorn) in the Ring Trilogy. He is, he says, an American. He appeared on this program with Peter Jackson, the director and Elijah Wood, who is Frodo. Wearing a t-shirt that he made himself, which said "No more blood for oil....(snip)

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KEYWORDS: antiwar; oil; ring; tolkien; viggo; viggomoronsen; viggomortensen
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To: Gunslingr3
Our intervention in the Somalia civil war, when we attempted to capture the warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid, chronicled in Black Hawk Down.
82 posted on 12/04/2002 8:55:51 AM PST by jpl
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To: PenguinWry
or buying both versions of the DVDs that will come out afterwards.

Buy them previously owned, at least...

83 posted on 12/04/2002 8:57:10 AM PST by null and void
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thanks. But I don't know how to do that! :<
84 posted on 12/04/2002 8:57:48 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
Actors = trained monkeys. All of them..Another actor I won't be able to watch and suspend the reality of their sickening views...
86 posted on 12/04/2002 9:01:12 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Gunslingr3
does anyone really think we'd have been over there if there wasn't any oil? We manage to stay out of the dozens of 'aggressions' that occur in Africa, etc.

Last time I looked, there weren't any African nationals flying planes into buildings (like the terrorists) or rolling their tanks into other nations to take them over for THEIR oil (like Saddam in 1990).

88 posted on 12/04/2002 9:02:19 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: WaterDragon
Ping me if it moves, and I will do it!

To add topics though, you can just type in the shorthand for the topic.... ours is "hobbit"
89 posted on 12/04/2002 9:02:28 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: WaterDragon
I saw the interview. I almost vomited while listening. Kudos to the liberal Charlie Rose. He didn't have to go there but he drew out Viggo and let the idiot hang himself.
90 posted on 12/04/2002 9:03:58 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Sloth
"oil IS worth a certain amount of blood"

How about yours?
91 posted on 12/04/2002 9:04:47 AM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thanks, will do.
92 posted on 12/04/2002 9:06:26 AM PST by WaterDragon
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To: PenguinWry
NEVER!!!! Previously owned could be scratched and therefore defective!

Buy them from a recycled records store. In my area, Streetlight Records and Rasputin will replace any defective CDs or DVDs no questions asked.

93 posted on 12/04/2002 9:06:32 AM PST by null and void
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To: Sloth
Certainly. Part of the whole rationale for national defense is protecting our quality of life. For the time being, oil is a necessity to preserve that.

Wow, you're going to have to explain that twisted concept of governments role. Government exists to defend liberty and property. We recognize a natural right to defend our own liberty and property, and the State exists as delegate to enforce justice on those principles. The United States military exists to protect our liberty and property from foreign threats. How do you make the leap from that principle, to deciding that the military also exists to ensure your "quality of life" by manipulating commodity prices through force and coercion? Should we use the military against Japan to prevent them from selling us cars cheaply, and thus reducing the number of livelihoods supported by domestic car manufacture? Afterall, isn't their "quality of life" being impacted negatively? Just whose "quality of life" and by what measure of quality to whom?

Using the American military to manipulate commodity prices has the function of deflecting the cost of commodity away from those consuming it to those who simple pay for the military - the cost is not avoided. It also limits individuals from rewarding entrepenuers with alternative energy sources by at the same time pre-emptively taking and spending their money on oil (via taxes directed to support military interventions for oil) and reducing the marginal benefit alternative energy sources (attacking the profits of alternatives helps ensure the market doesn't alter the status quo). By using our military to try and enforce an arbitrary price at the pump we also reduce the incentives of producers to find and exploit not just alternative energy sources, but other sources of oil yet to be tapped. "Go ahead and build your multi-million dollar rigs among these brutal savages, if they turn on you Uncle Sam will come save your bacon..."

In short, using the military to manipulate the price of oil has the perverse effect of forcing us to pay more (through coercion in taxes, instead of by choice at the pump) and have less probability of escaping the present situation.

94 posted on 12/04/2002 9:07:06 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: AdA$tra
"fight the war on terror as well as eliminating the threat SH poses to the entire world, make this a viable war."

Are we fighting a "war" on terror or are we fighting a "war" against SH? It seems to me that a "real war" on terror would involve naming all the countries who aid, abet and harbour terrorists. Isn't that the Prez's own criteria?

I for one would never put my own life or anyone elses life at risk to fight for oil. I would change my lifestyle before sending men to be killed just to keep my lifestyle and get cheaper gas.

How very sad that you feel that way. So, in the final analysis, it's about lifestyle and nothing else? It's about cheaper oil? You are willing to possibly leave your wife a widow for the sake of cheaper gas? Wow, how very telling.

95 posted on 12/04/2002 9:07:20 AM PST by poet
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To: Corin Stormhands
Aragorn is a liberal. Gandalf is gay. Elrond is constipated.

LOL!! You're partly right, Mr. Dwarf, Viggo is an airhead liberal, Ian is an obnoxious homosexual and I can't say whether or not Hugo is, ahem, regular, but I do like the characters he has played, be it a sad, flaming transvestite in "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" or a sinister 'Agent Smith' in "The Matrix".

Viggo hasn't done anything treasonous a la Jane Fonda sitting in the seat of an anti-aircraft battery in N. Vietnam, or incited violence like Alec Baldwin saying folks should kill Rep. Henry Hyde and his whole family. He has a stupid opinion that is informed by his apparently liberal worldview. When I'm watching him on the screen in FoTR, TTT or RoTK, I'll see Aragorn not Viggo!

96 posted on 12/04/2002 9:09:37 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: null and void
ANWR, Florida, California, etc. are politically protected from oil drilling, Pretty much my point. Yet you asert that the war isn't political?

Any war can (and will) be used by political parties for advantage. We did not station troops in Saudi Arabia in 1990 because it was in the GOP platform, or the Democrats for that matter. We did so because there is a lot of oil in the ground in that country, even if we don't actually buy much of it in the States.

97 posted on 12/04/2002 9:09:48 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Karl B
Ummmm, it looks like you are talking to yourself in this post. Oddly, it seems to make just as much sense as it does when you are talking to someone else...
98 posted on 12/04/2002 9:10:04 AM PST by null and void
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To: Valin
I swear if I hear one more idiot spout this nonsense I am going to go into fullblown rant mode! "GOD! why did you put so many idiots in the world at the same time!!"

"If idiots could fly, the sky would be black." -Some unknown wit who undoubtedly worked in Hollywood for at least a while.

Yeah, this sort of thing just kills my ability to enjoy a movie. It really does. I just sit and brood, "that SOB hates my country" everytime the actor appears on the screen. I am seeing fewer movies all the time, these days. But according to Michael Medved's 1990 book HOLLYWOOD VS AMERICA, Hollywood's profits have been declining since about 1969, and have never rebounded to those in the golden years of the 1930s and 1940s. Serves them right.

99 posted on 12/04/2002 9:11:26 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: AdA$tra
Yeah... just points out that yes, oil IS worth a certain amount of blood. Nothing wrong with that. I was thinking the same thing. Like it or not it is the truth.

How much of your blood are you willing to spill? Do you have a handy pint/barrel ratio we should use? I'd rather just buy the stuff. What's wrong with doing that?

100 posted on 12/04/2002 9:12:06 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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