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C.I.A. Hunts Iraq Tie to Soviet Smallpox(Do You want To Sleep Well Tonight? ....Dont Read)
N Y TIMES ^ | December 3, 2002 | JUDITH MILLER

Posted on 12/03/2002 2:42:31 PM PST by woofie

The C.I.A. is investigating an informant's accusation that Iraq obtained a particularly virulent strain of smallpox from a Russian scientist who worked in a smallpox lab in Moscow during Soviet times, senior American officials and foreign scientists say.

The officials said several American scientists were told in August that Iraq might have obtained the mysterious strain from Nelja N. Maltseva, a virologist who worked for more than 30 years at the Research Institute for Viral Preparations in Moscow before her death two years ago.

The information came to the American government from an informant whose identity has not been disclosed. The C.I.A. considered the information reliable enough that President Bush was briefed about its implications. The attempt to verify the information is continuing.

Dr. Maltseva is known to have visited Iraq on several occasions. Intelligence officials are trying to determine whether, as the informant told them, she traveled there as recently as 1990, officials said. The institute where she worked housed what Russia said was its entire national collection of 120 strains of smallpox, and some experts fear that she may have provided the Iraqis with a version that could be resistant to vaccines and could be more easily transmitted as a biological weapon.

The possibility that Iraq possesses this strain is one of several factors that has complicated Mr. Bush's decision, expected this week, about how many Americans should be vaccinated against smallpox, a disease that was officially eradicated in 1980.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: smallpox
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To: mewzilla
You'll have to explain yourself on this one. 30% mortality rate (at least) is pretty high.
21 posted on 12/03/2002 3:05:50 PM PST by Heartlander2
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To: Heartlander2
Not just the mortality. The survivors get to live with nasty scars.
22 posted on 12/03/2002 3:07:05 PM PST by aristeides
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To: The Great Satan; okie01; Mitchell; mrustow; muawiyah
The American officials have also been unable to obtain information [from the Russians] that they believe could help federal investigators with their stalled inquiry into the anthrax attacks of October 2001, in which 5 people died and at least 17 were infected.

Hatfill's secret connections to ex-KGB rogues? Tell Babs!

Seriously, could be that the atx came from Soviet stashes, given corruptly to Saddam, and developed in Iraq, or just acquired by them in Prague. Prague seems to be a place all sorts of weapons can be procured.

Might be just tying up loose ends...might be trying to find out if Russia has the tech for the specific way the atx was concocted.

23 posted on 12/03/2002 3:09:40 PM PST by Shermy
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To: aristeides
Would the smallpox virus survive a thermonuclear explosion?
24 posted on 12/03/2002 3:11:28 PM PST by Argus
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To: aristeides
If it's resistant to vaccines, how does Saddam protect himself and his country from it?

Maybe resistant to existing vaccines? Existing stocks are no more effective than last year's flu shot is against this year's strain?

25 posted on 12/03/2002 3:12:19 PM PST by null and void
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To: Alas Babylon!
Just give war a chance!

Hereby nominated for Quote of the Day. :)

26 posted on 12/03/2002 3:15:54 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Alas Babylon!
Seriously, if we wouldn't go to war with a country because it uses a WMD against us we might as well wave the white flag right now.

But Iraq hasn't used WMD against us -- unless you count airliners filled with jet fuel as WMD. So you are avoiding the real issue. In the past, when facing a deadly adversary armed with doomsday weapons, US policy has been conditioned by the unacceptable losses that would attend a direct confrontation. Saddam can play that game too. He's been trying to get into the club since the 1980s, and he's been at least a borderline member of the club since the Gulf War. Why do you think he's still there?

It is protection for Saddam to have biological and chemical weapons, because, in the final analysis, if pressed, if he is surrounded in Baghdad, he will threaten to use them. He's capable of that. This is a sort of Samson complex--if you push me too hard, I'll bring the house down, on myself and on everyone else. Washington realizes that this is a possibility. For obvious reasons, it's not talked about openly. No one in Washington wants to tell the American people that Saddam is still capable of blackmailing us. They're acting as if he is capable of blackmailing them, but they are not going to admit it openly.

Said K. Aburish, author of Saddam Hussein: The Politics of Revenge
PBS Frontline: The Survival of Saddam, January 2000


27 posted on 12/03/2002 3:18:49 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: Shermy
...might be trying to find out if Russia has the tech for the specific way the atx was concocted.

That's the only thing that makes sense, if there is any truth to this report. I don't think Russia would know anything about how Saddam got his hands on the Ames strain, but it's conceivable that ex-Soviet scientists might have been the source of the aerosolization know-how.

28 posted on 12/03/2002 3:23:00 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: muawiyah
I smell a fix for that social security demographics problem.....
29 posted on 12/03/2002 3:24:18 PM PST by blackdog
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To: mewzilla
We won't be blackmailed with a bug. Not this one at any rate. Mortality rate is too low.

30% dead, even more incapacitated? And that's natural smallpox, not the tricked out stuff. Normally, a proper bio-attack involves multiple pathogens. Smallpox chimera mixed with marburg and Alibekov anthrax would bring this country to its knees.

Whats the ratio of farmers to urbanites? 1000 to 1? How long do you think food would hold out if the transportation infrastructure was disrupted? You could also kiss the financial system goodbye and the world economy that depends on it.

30 posted on 12/03/2002 3:31:48 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: aristeides
Apparently the CDC is working on a substance that would disable the ability of the variola organism to kill people. This ought to work against all strains of smallpox, resistant or not.

Oh great, the CDC. The people who consider fatty foods and firearms the nations greatest health risk.

When are they going to publish the paper that shows HIV causes AIDS. Its been over a decade since their HIV media blitz, and I still haven't seen a serious scientific paper on the subject.

31 posted on 12/03/2002 3:34:06 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: blackdog
I smell a fix for that social security demographics problem.....

The geezers are the ones that were vaccinated...Its the 0-30 year olds that haven't received a jab.

Somehow, I don't think killing off the 0-30's will help the SS problem.

32 posted on 12/03/2002 3:35:53 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: woofie
If Iraq uses smallpox against the US, Then NUKE THE sob's.
End of story.
33 posted on 12/03/2002 3:37:11 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: Argus
Not a chance.
34 posted on 12/03/2002 3:38:21 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: woofie
If you follow the links within links within links here & here:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

The Poor-Boy Nuke-- Bioterrorism***

...you will eventually find "The Demon in the Freezer," articles about the woman doctor who was Saddam's top bioterror expert, etc.

35 posted on 12/03/2002 3:38:55 PM PST by backhoe
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To: The Great Satan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20021119/hl_nm/smallpox_iraq_dc_1
"...."I'm assuming that Iraq has the smallpox virus. It's certainly the working hypothesis," Ronald Atlas, president of the American Society for Microbiology, told the conference organized by Harvard University and the Annenberg Center for Health Sciences. Atlas said he was expressing a wide consensus. ..."

"...Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak (news - web sites), a keynote speaker at the conference, said bioterrorism had become the most serious single threat facing Western nations.


He said Israel took the possibility of Iraq launching a smallpox attack so seriously that it had already begun vaccinating 10,000 emergency personnel who would be the first to respond to such an attack. Israel has drawn up plans and stockpiled drugs to vaccinate the entire population within days should an attack occur. ..."

36 posted on 12/03/2002 3:40:59 PM PST by Shermy
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To: woofie
bump for later
37 posted on 12/03/2002 3:43:32 PM PST by Wordsmith
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To: bonesmccoy
ping
38 posted on 12/03/2002 4:09:18 PM PST by woofie
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To: The Great Satan
I do see your point, but it's still a gamble for Saddam. I don't think it will work for him either. It was just released in the news that Bush is upping the vaccination schedlue and will begin vaccinating military and emergency personnel shortly. The rest of us? Maybe later. The Israelis an Brits have decided to begin vaccinations, too.

This tells me getting ready to take on Saddam. We're checkmating his threat, first.

39 posted on 12/03/2002 4:10:03 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: r9etb
Wow, this conveniently ties in with the mandated smallpox vaccines being given to emergency personnel and the military. All we need now is an 'outbreak' to justify kicking off a war with Iraq (even though they may end up complying with all the UN resolutions). Nice timing all round.
40 posted on 12/03/2002 4:12:52 PM PST by droberts
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