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Police Seize Home Arsenal Fire Alerts Authorities to Nearly 500 (legal) Weapons
The Asbury Park Press ^ | 12-03-02 | Michael Clancy

Posted on 12/03/2002 6:32:19 AM PST by Iron Eagle

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:38:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Published in the Asbury Park Press 12/03/02 Fire alerts authorities to nearly 500 weapons By MICHAEL CLANCY STAFF WRITER FAIR HAVEN -- Three dump trucks removed an arsenal of live ammunition and almost 500 weapons -- all of them apparently held legally -- which police found in a home after the fire department responded to a chimney fire and the homeowner threatened the fire chief with a rifle, authorities said yesterday.


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To: justshutupandtakeit
Looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Would this imbecile have been the next worker gone postal? Or have a neighbor killed in a dispute.

You are brainwashed by the media.

21 posted on 12/03/2002 6:56:11 AM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock
This guy didn't even break any laws.

Well except pointing a gun at a fireman...

22 posted on 12/03/2002 6:56:24 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: All
What's a chimney fire? Isn't it built for flame?
Sounds to me like it wasn't much of a fire anyway. I would have told the fire dept. to get lost also. If they refused then I could see where there would be trouble.
This man will never see his property again.
23 posted on 12/03/2002 6:58:35 AM PST by The Toll
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To: southern rock
And I suppose you leave loaded weapons and ammunicition lying about your home? Does that sound like a responsible gunowner to you? Do you keep black powder in your oven?

This guy is mentally ill or worse.
24 posted on 12/03/2002 6:59:11 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Iron Eagle
The ammo could have exploded and shot all over," McGovern said. "If it got hot enough and the gunpowder ignited, the rounds would have become projectiles shooting out of the home."

B$ .... they would become thousands of firecrackers. You need the barrel to contain and channel the explosion to make bullets.

25 posted on 12/03/2002 6:59:17 AM PST by Centurion2000
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To: Terriergal
This guy didn't even break any laws.

Well except pointing a gun at a fireman...

Really?

When Fire Chief John Feeny ordered Arthur L. Arford to leave his smoky home in a residential area of Colonial Court about 4 p.m. to make way for firefighters, Arford told Feeny the department had no right to force him off his property,

26 posted on 12/03/2002 6:59:40 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Terriergal
Long ago, I used to play the clarinet,
but I've never had sax in a pep band.
27 posted on 12/03/2002 7:00:24 AM PST by error99
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To: wideawake
Where, how many and in what condtion his handguns were in is his damn bussiness and no one elses.

The only mistake he made was to pick up a weapon, if indeed he did, and point it at the chief. I think he had a very powerful argument without the rifle.

You don't suppose he was picking up the rifle to carry it outside, so it wouldn't burn up, do you?

28 posted on 12/03/2002 7:01:16 AM PST by Flint
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To: Iron Eagle
The crux of the issue:

Fire Chief John Feeny ordered Arthur L. Arford to leave his smoky home

Some people don't take kindly to being ordered out of their own home. Granted this guy picked a bad time to switch to home-defense mode. Detatched reasoning is not expected when one's home is on fire.

29 posted on 12/03/2002 7:01:46 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: Iron Eagle
Where is this place. I have a few firearms and do not have even one "permit" to own them. Nor am I required to have any permit to own them. Exactly what permits were in "order" that made the firearms legal?
30 posted on 12/03/2002 7:02:38 AM PST by Flint
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To: southern rock
I guess you'd want a fire at your neighbor's house to spread to yours just because your neighbor told the fire department to get lost.

On top of that, you people obviously know nothing of chimney fires, and how many homes get burned severely as a result each year. Usually, they start because some brain addled moron burns a bunch of pine or other soft woods, lining it with creasote. If the flue remains uncleaned, the creasote will ignite, raising temps enough to ignite wood around the chimney, and it can break the flue open.

31 posted on 12/03/2002 7:04:19 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: southern rock
Menacing someone who has identified himself as a peace officer is a crime in the state of New Jersey.

And the Second Amendment, in case you hadn't noticed, is under incredible pressure from judicial and political activism. You and I may both know that our God-given right to self-defense is not only unalterably guaranteed by the Constitution but also by the unalterable natural law on which that Constitution is based.

These truths mean nothing to the powerful forces that want to take our rights away.

This moron waving a gun in the face of someone who is trying to save his life and property is counterproductive. It makes those who insist on the right to self-defense look like blithering, volatile idiots.

32 posted on 12/03/2002 7:05:15 AM PST by wideawake
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To: southern rock
If he wanted to die of smoke inhalation without calling the fire department, more power to him. However, once the fire department got there, he had no right to point a rifle or any other firearm at a firefighter or at any other person without suffering the attendant criminal charges.
33 posted on 12/03/2002 7:05:18 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: The Toll
What's a chimney fire? Isn't it built for flame?

A chimney is built for smoke, not flame. A chimney fire is actually a dangerous condition where built-up creosote ignites, raises the temperature of the chimney dramatically, and begins cracking the masonry and flames start moving thru the cracks and into the house frame. A very real and very dangerous event.

34 posted on 12/03/2002 7:05:36 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: error99
"...an arsenal of live ammunition

Is there any other kind? If it was spent it would no longer be ammunition until it was reloaded. Words have meaning...

35 posted on 12/03/2002 7:06:13 AM PST by Russ
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To: Flint
The only mistake he made was to pick up a weapon, if indeed he did, and point it at the chief.

Well, I don't know what else to do when someone enters your home against your wishes, won't leave when asked, and then tries to remove YOU.

I think he had a very powerful argument without the rifle.

Trust me. "Arguing" with someone who has been trained to believe they are an "authority figure" is useless.

You don't suppose he was picking up the rifle to carry it outside, so it wouldn't burn up, do you?

It's worth a try in court. :)

36 posted on 12/03/2002 7:06:25 AM PST by southern rock
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To: Teacher317
"I wonder if the gun-grabbers will start using the "dangerous if a fire breaks out" excuse ..."

If they try that, show 'em this:

SAAMI = Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturer's Institute

SLARAC = SAAMI Logistic & Regulatory Affairs Committee

One important product of the SLARAC Committee is a video, Sporting Ammunition and the Firefighter, which was produced by the Committee many years ago. The video analyzes the characteristics associated with the small arms ammunition when it is subjected to severe impact and fire. When a primer ignites, it causes the propellant to burn which creates gases which, when under pressure in a firearm, send the bullet down the barrel. Pressure created by the propellant being burned is what discharges a bullet. As such, loose ammunition in a fire does not result in bullets being discharged because the propellant is not burning under pressure.

The video, which has been widely circulated to fire departments, concludes that while ammunition produces a popping sound when it burns, there is no mass detonation of the ammunition, any projectiles are of low velocity, and there is no threat to firefighters in their standard turn-out gear.

37 posted on 12/03/2002 7:07:14 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: wideawake
And, of course, a large collection of weapons is not an "arsenal." An arsenal is a factory where weapons are made. An armory is a place where weapons are stored.

the words are interchangeable but the useage of an arsenal being a stockpile and an armory as a manufacturing site is a more appropriate use. the firefighters have the right to protect the property of others when the homeowner protests their entry... and since they confiscated his "arsenal" i can see why he didn't want them there. he should of allowed them to dowse the flames from the outside and prevented them from taking out any of his weaponry... teeman8r

38 posted on 12/03/2002 7:07:22 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: Catspaw
If he wanted to die of smoke inhalation without calling the fire department, more power to him. However, once the fire department got there, he had no right to point a rifle or any other firearm at a firefighter or at any other person without suffering the attendant criminal charges.

Did he call the fire department?

39 posted on 12/03/2002 7:09:01 AM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock
Oh come on. He told him to leave because that's what firemen DO when they come to fight fires. The man was not being threatened, so shouldn't have pointed a gun at him.
40 posted on 12/03/2002 7:09:05 AM PST by Terriergal
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