Police Seize Home Arsenal Fire Alerts Authorities to Nearly 500 (legal) Weapons

The Asbury Park Press ^ | 12-03-02 | Michael Clancy

[Iron Eagle]

Published in the Asbury Park Press 12/03/02 Fire alerts authorities to nearly 500 weapons By MICHAEL CLANCY STAFF WRITER FAIR HAVEN -- Three dump trucks removed an arsenal of live ammunition and almost 500 weapons -- all of them apparently held legally -- which police found in a home after the fire department responded to a chimney fire and the homeowner threatened the fire chief with a rifle, authorities said yesterday.

[Catspaw]

I'd like to see one of these guys try to stop firefighters from removing them from their own burning homes...they would basically have to murder the firefighters to prevent the firefighters from dragging their asses kicking and screaming so the firefighters can do their job...In theory, I suppose they could tell the firefighters beforehand that they want their house to burn to the ground, but they'd better not try to get their homeowner's insurance to pay out on it.

If he did have homeowners on his house with a rider for the guns, the insurance company might, just might, pay out because they don't want the hassle, but this guy is going to get cancelled and will have great difficulty finding another insurance company to take him.

Of course, right now, that's the least of his problems.

[wimpycat]

What do you think? Since the laws of the NWO/CFR/JBT/Globalist society are by their very nature undemocratic and arbitrary, should we grant him a "slippuns" on this one, or should he take the pill for his little "accident"?

[Catspaw]

Ooops, spoke too soon. The insurance agent in my building just said that if the house burned and he interfered with the firefighters, the insurance company will not pay the claim. There's a very good chance that if there was any damage to his house during this fire, the insurance company will not pay the claim because of his actions.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I'll be a good little evil minion. I swear!

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Hope he likes the smell of smoke in everything.

[Frapster]

I doubt we have the whole story. Who knows what the Chief and the off-duty cop/volunteer firefighter said that prompted the guy to defend his property. The guy may have been reckless in how he stored his weapons collection but it's his home and as far as I know stupidity is not a crime. To assume that lots of weapons equals a potential "postal" shooting is not very genuine. In Houston we have a neighborhood that is frustrated with the inability of the police to address the drug/gang problem in their neighborhood so they are taking matters into their own hands. It's amazing and disgusting to me that the assumption is 1) these people are too stupid to take care of themselves 2) the police are the only ones who can handle the situation 3) that anyone who supports them in their efforts is a racist gun-nut right-wing radical.

I for one don't care if we think the man was stupid in how he stored HIS guns in HIS home. But I'm not willing to assume that this situations proves gun critics right about gun-owners and the 2nd Amendment. If anything it confirms in my mind that the 2nd Amendment is in serious jeopardy that they can so easily remove all of this from his home after, as I said earlier, who knows what the Chief and off-duty officer said (beyond 'you must leave your home now').

[Catspaw]

Well, I'm for giving him a break this time. You know how it is with computers & slipups. But we'll have to watch the Chanc closely in the future. I'm thinking double secret probation.

[RabidBartender]

I am not certain whether firefighters are required to take an equivelant of the medical field's Hippocratic Oath. It would seem to me if they failed to convince the homeowner to leave his property (at the risk of life), they would be forced to physically remove him. They would not be in a position (timewise) to ascertain the individual's mental capacity - whether he was able to make that decision, etc. Otherwise, the headline "Firefighter Leave Retarded Man To Die" would pop up in my head.

I don't think it is so much a fear of litigation that goaded them to ack so much as the preservation of human life. There are some on this thread that speak as if this guy would be a patriotic martyr if he defied the government and remained in his burning house. There's a difference between standing up to tyranny and abject stupidity - I believe the subject here was exercising the latter.

[Catspaw]

Hope he likes the smell of smoke in everything.

It's not just the smoke (and it's a horrible, acrid smell that never seems to go away, no matter how many times it's washed). It's the greasy soot, the water damage, the black & grey stains, who knows what else, including the footprints of firefighter boots coated with aforementioned greasy soot in the rugs.

[Terriergal]

Yes, but they didn't have a chance before he pointed a weapon at them... they would also have likely had to evac several blocks, with the ammo stores that guy had. Ya know... these firefighters get yanked out of bed in the middle of the night to risk their lives for people... and I guess I just have a little sympathy for them when someone, when told for his own safety to leave the house they're trying to save, grabs one of hundreds of guns lying around and tries to threaten him with it. it's a FIRE for pete's sake... they didn't have time to negotiate or ring the doorbell and say "I beg your pardon sir but your house is on fire, would you and anyone else inside the home kindly consider leaving the premises so we can take care of it? Get back to us, all right? Cheerio, we'll be waiting for your call. In the meantime we'll just stand around here protecting your neighbors' property. Oh and by the way, I see you have a lot of guns. Any chance that you have a lot of ammo that might go off in the blaze? No? Ok, I guess we'll all be safe standing out here waiting then..."

I mean...it was an emergency, they were responding the way they should and the guy wasn't cooperating. He shouldn't have pointed the gun at them. They did nothing wrong.

[Poohbah]

There's a difference between standing up to tyranny and abject stupidity - I believe the subject here was exercising the latter.

Look out, you just made Dead Corpse's list of statist Bushbot thugs.

OK, guys, what's the initiation ritual again?

[Terriergal]

loose ammo is not a risk in a fire. The loaded guns were the projectile risk in a fire.

?

So... ammo in a gun is bad if heated up... but ammo in a box is not going to explode upon heating?

[Terriergal]

Maybe I'll have to try that experiment with my brick of .22 ammo...

[wimpycat]

Who knows what the Chief and the off-duty cop/volunteer firefighter said that prompted the guy to defend his property.

So, you think there's anything the Chief could have said that would have justified the guy pointing a weapon at him? For exactly what in the hell could the homeowner be "defending" his burning house from the Fire Department for crying out loud? Use your common sense here.

Regardless of how the media is overblowing his gun collection, the real issue here is the homeowner's refusal to leave the premises and his threat to the Fire Chief. If he had left when he was told to by the Fire Chief, and assuming he would have told the firefighters he had loaded weapons on the premises and no firefighters were injured by the loaded (and legally owned) weapons going off in the fire, this wouldn't even be a story and none of us would have heard about it.

[Tennessee_Bob]

but ammo in a box is not going to explode upon heating?

Don't know - we always considered munitions as a hazard during a fire. Then again, we were dealing with 20 and 30 millimeter ammunition - not exactly deerhunting rounds.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Ha! You forgot the secret handshake and everything.

Remember? The pin? the blood? Burning the picture of the patron saint of the movement, David Rockefeller? The oath about burning in hell if we rat out our friends?

Its the same one I gave when I got "made" into the LCN.

[Frapster]

The man called the Fire Department to put out the chimmeny fire (which are incredibly dangerous and difficult to extinguish). Then when the Fire Chief obviously determined that he was interfering with his firemen, ordered him away, the guy picked up a rifle in an attempt to threaten (possibly kill) he Fire Chief. The Fire Chief is responsible for his men's safety and cannot have a homeowner directly interfering with their duties.....

This past Saturday my 9-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son were building a 'batting tee' in the driveway while me and my 16-year-old were haning Christmas lights on the front of the house. Next thing I know I hear this blood-curdling scream and my daughter is laying on the ground howling and crying at the top of her lungs all the while my son is standing over her saying over and over again 'I'm sorry - it was an accident - I didn't mean to do it'.

When I enquired what happened to hear my daughter tell it my son sprang out from behind the car and whacked her in the rib-cage with the baseball bat. To hear my son tell it he was just swinging the bat and didn't realize she was so close. My dilemma was who should I believe - in the case of my kids it's easy. In the case of the media and my government and their attitudes towards gun-owners who own 'too many guns' it's easy as well no matter how funny the circumstances may seem. Of course the alternative to this situation is he could have let them do as they please. Had he not pulled his weapon I have no doubt in my mind that they would have confiscated his entire collection never to see it again. I'd guess that is what 'triggered' is 'over reaction'. *tin foil hat off*

[wimpycat]

OK, guys, what's the initiation ritual again?

Is that a trick question? After all, YOU wrote the initiation ritual.

[Catspaw]

Regardless of how the media is overblowing his gun collection, the real issue here is the homeowner's refusal to leave the premises and his threat to the Fire Chief. If he had left when he was told to by the Fire Chief, and assuming he would have told the firefighters he had loaded weapons on the premises and no firefighters were injured by the loaded (and legally owned) weapons going off in the fire, this wouldn't even be a story and none of us would have heard about it.

Given that it was the Chief that ordered the guy to leave, I have a good hunch that he had been ordered to leave by another firefighter or firefighters and refused to go. It's rare to see the Fire Chief inside the premises. The Chief usually stays outside to coordinate the firefighters under his control.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

You used the words "common sense" here on FR. Bad, bad wimpycat.