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Police Seize Home Arsenal Fire Alerts Authorities to Nearly 500 (legal) Weapons
The Asbury Park Press ^ | 12-03-02 | Michael Clancy

Posted on 12/03/2002 6:32:19 AM PST by Iron Eagle

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:38:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Published in the Asbury Park Press 12/03/02 Fire alerts authorities to nearly 500 weapons By MICHAEL CLANCY STAFF WRITER FAIR HAVEN -- Three dump trucks removed an arsenal of live ammunition and almost 500 weapons -- all of them apparently held legally -- which police found in a home after the fire department responded to a chimney fire and the homeowner threatened the fire chief with a rifle, authorities said yesterday.


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To: Iron Eagle
Amendment II = A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

in·fringe To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent. Obsolete To defeat; invalidate. To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.

101 posted on 12/03/2002 9:01:11 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: blackdog
"I put it in a bench vise...."

If the vise was clamped on the cartridge case where the bullet was and held the bullet in while the heat built up and caused the powder to burn, the resultant gases could build up presure until somrthinge broke --- but that is not the same result as when the cartridge is heated without the bullet being restrained.

102 posted on 12/03/2002 9:09:23 AM PST by gatex
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"The toothless, wannabe militia terrorists who defend this lunatic are seriously making me sick to my stomach...

How do you know they are toothless ?

103 posted on 12/03/2002 9:11:12 AM PST by gatex
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To: justshutupandtakeit
A safety instructor leaving loaded weapons lying about indescriminately?

Ahh, there's the rub. that is NOT the statement I was replying to. Perhaps you would reread what you posted previously. Regards....

104 posted on 12/03/2002 9:14:39 AM PST by bullseye1911
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To: Terriergal
Hi, Tg.

...having just purchased a fire resistant safe they recommend NOT storing your ammo inside it.

Understood. However, it might be a good idea to post a "hazard" sticker on the door, indicating that black powder is stored inside. Such notice provokes second thoughts in those who would try to torch it open.

105 posted on 12/03/2002 9:20:54 AM PST by Oberon
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To: teeman8r
"...the firefighters have the right to protect the property of others when the homeowner protests their entry..."

That can be achieved without entering the house, if the homeowner does not consent to the entry.
106 posted on 12/03/2002 9:25:52 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: gatex
I searched all over the house looking for a bullet hole in each ceiling, thinking it narrowly missed my chin. I was surprised when no hole was to be found. When my dad was done beating my arss, he explained the physics to me. Both the shell and full jacketed round were lying on the basement floor in front of the workbench. Even being in a vise is not surrounding pressure. He made sure that my strict adherence to "no guns without adult supervision" also included ammo at that point.
107 posted on 12/03/2002 9:27:16 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Beelzebubba
That can be achieved without entering the house, if the homeowner does not consent to the entry.

So if there's a meth lab or a larger-than-household-use amount of chlorine in the house, that's nobody's business, unless the homeowner chooses to tell the firefighters he has material in his home that may cause an explosion or a health hazard to other people. Do I understand you correctly? Because I fail to see how firefighters can ascertain necessary information about a burning home without actually entering it.

108 posted on 12/03/2002 9:33:34 AM PST by wimpycat
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To: Oberon
yep... but if you don't store it in there... why the sticker?

I think the dealer we got it from was recommending not putting the ammo/powder in the safe because in the off chance that the fire temp/duration exceeds the safety rating, the stuff may ignite.

109 posted on 12/03/2002 9:34:06 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
Actually, having just purchased a fire resistant safe they recommend NOT storing your ammo inside it. In case of a fire, it *does* get hot in there, and would turn the thing into a giant bomb.

Never happen. Check out the military tests done on small arms ammo and described in "Hatcher's Notebook".

Small arms ammo stored in a military ammo can will barely bulge the lid if placed in a fire. No amount of non black powder ammo is going to hurt a decent gun safe, or even the firearms in it.

So9

110 posted on 12/03/2002 9:34:50 AM PST by Servant of the Nine
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To: DumpsterDiver
The video, which has been widely circulated to fire departments, concludes that while ammunition produces a popping sound when it burns, there is no mass detonation of the ammunition, any projectiles are of low velocity, and there is no threat to firefighters in their standard turn-out gear.

Hey, I saw that video! I didn't believe my EMT buddy when he said they don't worry about ammo at all and he brought it in for me - he said what they DO worry about is those little propane bottles you take camping that people like to hide in their closets...

111 posted on 12/03/2002 9:44:05 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Terriergal
yep... but if you don't store it in there... why the sticker?

Terriergal, some folks have had their homes ransacked in the past while they were on vacation or otherwise absent, up to and including cutting open safes. If the bad guy thinks there's a couple of pounds of FFg inside, he'll be reluctant to apply a torch to the safe.

I suppose the alternative approach would be to store the FFg in the safe without posting the warning... the result is a dish called 'burglar surprise.'

112 posted on 12/03/2002 9:53:29 AM PST by Oberon
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To: Iron Eagle
If his permit was up-to-date and the weapons were legal, then I think he screwed up by threatening the chief.
113 posted on 12/03/2002 10:03:27 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Oberon
AHHHH... I see!
114 posted on 12/03/2002 10:09:28 AM PST by Terriergal
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To: gatex
Palpatine is a liber-in-conservative clothing sent here to disrupt things. Do a search and read some of his posts.

His movie name-sake would be proud of the facism he supports.

115 posted on 12/03/2002 10:20:09 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Trailerpark Badass
The Fire Chief in this case has almost 100 years of common law on his side. Some "conservatives" have respect for that as well.
116 posted on 12/03/2002 10:23:19 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Catspaw
"...paranoid, drooling world where one views the government (which, apparently, includes a suburban fire department) as inherently evil, thieving and corrupt. "

Waco. Ruby Ridge. TIPS. The US (anti-) PATRIOT Act. Project Meggido. Eschelon. Et cetera et al...

Take another hit of Prozac and continue to live in La-La land.

Do you know this individual personally? Is he really some drooling paranoid, or a serious gun-collector? Making such statements only points you out as the non-thinking Troll-bot that you are shaping up to be.

117 posted on 12/03/2002 10:23:47 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: 1rudeboy
Right now all we know is that the guy was grabbing for an un-loaded rifle. He didn't actually point it at anyone and we only have the Chief's word that he "thought" the guy was going to point it at him.

He very well could have been grabbing the rifle to save at least some part of his collection from the flames. The Chief very well could have been jumping the gun, so to speak, on claiming the guy was going to aim it at him at all.

Think about it. Why would you want to point an un-loaded gun at someone? To scare them off? With all the LOADED guns in the house, if he had wanted to, he could just as easily have grabbed one of those if his intent was in line with the Chief's accusation.

119 posted on 12/03/2002 10:30:49 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
I was only referring to the Chief's right to order the man out of his home, and not whether an assault (in the legal sense of the word) occurred.
120 posted on 12/03/2002 10:37:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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