Posted on 12/01/2002 6:37:28 AM PST by SJackson
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
That puts their religion in the antichrist status.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 ¶For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Translations of Qur'anic Verses by Abdullah Yusuf Ali:
Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: Yea magnify Him for His greatness and glory!" 17: 111
Further that He may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": 18: 4
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. 19: 35
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! 19: 88/89
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. 19: 92
No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! 23: 91
He begetteth not nor is He begotten; 112: 3
The Jews there could come settle in the US, but I do feel they have a right to that little plot of land they built up and have such a long and rich history with.
Thanks. I didn't mean to be picky, but definitions are so important in this arena, and misunderstanding is so rampant.
It is a complete myth that Israel's wars have been solely defensive.
Obviously they wished to gain security in 1956 and 1967 and liberate territory. However, Egypt legally initiated conflict both times.
Also, by attempting to steal the land in the first place, by swamping it with illegal immigrants (is this starting to sound familiar to what is going on in the USA today?), it was the Isrealis who initiated the conflict.
1. What illegal immigrants.
2. You do realise that most claims against Israel can be made against the US vis-a-vis the Indians or Mexicans.
It seems to me that some American nationalist are blinded by some hatred to this Elephant in the room.
And you forgot (or never understood) that our tax money going to Egypt and the PA is going at the behest, and in the interests of, the Israelis. The money given to Egypt and the PA is bribe money to keep them subservient to Isreali interests.
You got it. The US is arming Egypt and the PLO at the behest of Israel!
Please, go look at the Arabist State Department.
It has worked in the case of Egypt, but not in the case of the PA, because unlike the Egyptians, the Israelis are actively pursuing a policy of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians, by a gradual process of colonization via settlements, and expulsion, land seizures, state terrorism (using weapons paid for by the US taxpayer, rather than suicide bombers), and economic strangulation
1. Most Gaza "Palestinians" are Egyptian. Where do you think Arafat was born?
2. Between 1923 and 1960 all arab countries became Judenrien. The "Palestionians" got a country in 1923, (Trans)Jordan, and immediately expelled all Jews. In 1948-49 all Jews were expelled from lands captured by the Arabs.
3. 90% of "settlements" are on land owned by Jews prior to 1947, bought after 1967, or not owned by Arabs. (Large tracts were held unoccupied by the Turks, then Brits, they Jordanians and Egyptians.
4. State terrorism?
From 1967 to 1987 the Arab population in YESHA tripled and its standard of living became the highest for Arabs not in an oil producing area, save Green-line Israel. Their standard of living only collapsed during the intefadas and from UN/PA theft.
I don't blame you for not knowing these facts. The leftist media kept them from you.
Perhaps you should re-evealuate your positions.
Opposing aid is a perfectly rational opinion, but your ignorant Arabist attitudes used to defend them are not.
The Seljuks conquered Jerusalem in 1071. Their brutality and interference with pilgrimage led directly to the Crusader's conquest, which lasted (in Jerusalem) from 1099 - 1187. Thus the ephemeral Christian occupation lasted 3 times as long as the Seljuk occupation you seem to think particularly significnt.
From 1187 to 1516 Palestine was controlled by the Ayubids (Kurds) and then by the Mamluks (a caste of military slaves who were admittedly mostly Turkish in origin). They were not particularly Turkish in culture or language, as they were thoroughly arabized by their upbringing.
The Turks, who took over about 700 years ago and ruled the land up until about World War 1
Why not admit it. The author is just plain wrong. "About 700 years ago" would be 1300 or so. He was off by over 200 years, since "the Turks" in general usage refers to the Ottomans, who controlled Palestine for most of the period 1516 to 1917. 1516 is not "about 700 years ago."
Both you and the author made mistakes.
Ron
PS. I am not Turkish, although I do have some Ghur (as opposed to Ghuzz) ancestry. I'll forgive all mistakes if you guess the group.
Pay them for the trouble?
There are still all kinds of Turks in Central Asia.
Turkish refers to a language group. Talking about "the Turks" as if they're a single ethnic group makes even less sense than talking about the Spanish, French, Romansh, Romanians, Italians, Portugese, Catalans, etc. as if they make up a single group.
Hoqwever, in common language, if you refer to the Turks, you're talking about the Ottomans.
The Ghur and Ghuzz groups you mention do ring a bell. I'm probably wrong, but I think for some reason of two groupings of Albanian tribes or clans.
Can't find anything on the web, though.
LOL...Sometimes a point isn't necessary.
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