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...demand tough new laws

Err, I think we've already got the toughest gun laws of any democratic country on Earth, thank you very much.

"The police are doing all they can -- they've set up Operation Trident and everything -- but the law is no deterrent."

But didn't the Police recently suggest that any Briton who is accosted by a knife or gun wielding villain should just do as they're told? They've basically set themselves up as the only people allowed to tackle criminals, thus shouldn't they be sued for failing to prevent all these murders?

She said the 10-year maximum sentence for gun possession should be changed to a 10-year minimum sentence.

Oh, that will stop them! Unfortunately, most Yardies are psychopathic crack-heads so I doubt they'd be deterred by this suggestion.

Yet more evidence of the stupidity of the left/liberals. There's a problem with armed gangsters so they reckon we should bring in even tougher gun laws. Even though history has shown us that psychopathic drug-dealers/gangsters are in the business of terrorising and killing people and so are unlikely to be concerned by longer custodial sentences for possession of the tools of their trade. Meanwhile, the law-abiding British public can't even legally carry a penknife to protect themselves with and are being prosecuted for using 'unreasonable force' while they're in fear of their lives.

No doubt next they'll be saying that because gangsters often use shotguns that means shotgun ownership should be more strictly controlled too. I suppose the fact that it doesn't matter what gun laws are in place because professional criminals can just buy their firearms on the back market escapes the left/liberals and the British government. If they want to prevent gangsters from committing murder they should execute murderers, not try to put up more barriers/penalties to the possession of firearms.

But no, its all the fault of those nasty guns isn't it? The fact that after the "good friday settlement" the IRA started to beat people to death with sledge-hammers, since it didn't violate the agreement, just doesn't occur to these people I suppose.

1 posted on 11/30/2002 5:36:43 PM PST by David Hunter
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but the law is no deterrent." She said the 10-year maximum sentence for gun possession should be changed to a 10-year minimum sentence.

By gosh, that will do it. Of course, sending the savages back whence they came might also have some effect.

2 posted on 11/30/2002 5:42:07 PM PST by per loin
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One more example of the current pathetic condition of the UK under socialism. Truly a sad state of affairs. Hearts of oak no more.
3 posted on 11/30/2002 5:55:04 PM PST by Bacons Rebellion
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One more example of the current pathetic condition of the UK under socialism. Truly a sad state of affairs. Hearts of oak no more.
4 posted on 11/30/2002 5:56:34 PM PST by Bacons Rebellion
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To: Destro; Sparta; demosthenes the elder; parsifal; Fiddlstix; Rye; F16Fighter; McGavin999; archy; ...
PING!
5 posted on 11/30/2002 6:01:39 PM PST by David Hunter
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Absolutely amazing, disgusting, stupid, and crazy.

I guess the days when Sherlock Holmes would tell Dr. Watson to bring his Webley along will never return. If Sherlock were to fire his boxer pistol indoors nowadays making a V R outline with the bullets he would get a mandatory 10 years in prison.

6 posted on 11/30/2002 6:05:50 PM PST by yarddog
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To: *bang_list
Bang!
7 posted on 11/30/2002 6:06:35 PM PST by David Hunter
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Lucy Cope, whose son Damian, 22, was shot dead outside a nightclub in London's West End in July, told Reuters: "The police are doing all they can -- they've set up Operation Trident and everything -- but the law is no deterrent." She said the 10-year maximum sentence for gun possession should be changed to a 10-year minimum sentence.

10 years or a 100 years...it doesn't matter. These people don't imagine for a second that they'll be caught. I doesn't matter what you set the jail time to, because even the most illogical of criminals wouldn't commit the crime if they thought they'd get caught. Yet they still commit them, which speaks volumes of their faith in the law enforcement agencies to catch them.

8 posted on 11/30/2002 6:33:08 PM PST by PropheticZero
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"The police are doing all they can -- they've set up Operation Trident and everything -- but the law is no deterrent." She said the 10-year maximum sentence for gun possession should be changed to a 10-year minimum sentence.

ROFL. She says that the laws do nothing, then suggests changing the laws. I love it when Socialists reveal themselves so quickly and easily. This woman has no interest in safety, justice or good lawmaking. She is merely interested in controlling people's lives and taking away their rights.

9 posted on 11/30/2002 6:55:31 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: David Hunter
Good post, Hunter.

As always, and everywhere, more gun control is directly proportional to more crime. The smart leftists know this and don't care, because gov't controlling peoples' lives - the abolition of individual rights - is far more important than public safety. The dumb socialists (like the mothers in the article) still believe the myth, and no amount of evidence will change their minds.

Here's an article about British gun control from American Rifleman magazine that may interest you, if you haven't seen it already.

10 posted on 11/30/2002 7:22:14 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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They have a revolving door system now. When they get serious about the penalties, the crooks won't be so easy about leaving witnesses. The murder rate is going to rival a third world country.
11 posted on 11/30/2002 7:29:18 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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I'm sorry David, but your country elects way too damn many socialists. They are a bunch of pandering pricks. They need to throw these whiny immigrants out of the country and let Britians defend themselves. Also, do ya'll even have any resembling a right-wing party and don't mention the fascist BNP. I've read their platform and they're the dictionary definition of fascists.

(Rant over.)
12 posted on 11/30/2002 8:10:35 PM PST by Sparta
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The British bulldog has been replaced with a sheep.
14 posted on 11/30/2002 8:27:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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"Psychopathic drug-dealers/gangsters are in the business of terrorising and killing people and so are unlikely to be concerned by longer custodial sentences for possession of the tools of their trade. Meanwhile, the law-abiding British public can't even legally carry a penknife to protect themselves with and are being prosecuted for using 'unreasonable force' while they're in fear of their lives."

And the majority of Brits are oblivious to this disturbing equation?

What you need matey is a politician who advocates gun racks on the back of your vehicles which "advertise" a willingness to defend yourself. Though I don't live there, I hear it seems to work well in Texas...

21 posted on 11/30/2002 10:42:15 PM PST by F16Fighter
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We just got back from a 2 week UK vacation. What a sorry situation.

Our first day in London, while eating dinner, we caught an 'immigrant' with his hand in my wife's purse. I threatened to cut him, if he didn't depart hastily and he was dumbfounded. I gathered they are not use to victims fighting back.

Everywhere in London there are posters warning the 'sheep' to watch their bags and belonging, but none warning the miscreants of the consequences of their actions.

There are posters everywhere warning the population against using verbal abuse on minorities, immigrants and other protected groups. This is now considered a serious crime.

And by recent decree of Parliment, homosexuals are now known officially as 'those attracted to those of the same sex'.

Things were better outside of London, but the thoughtcrime posters are everywhere. Overall we had a good time, but I doubt we would ever go back.
24 posted on 12/01/2002 2:30:47 AM PST by TC Rider
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Mothers grieving over children killed in drug-fuelled gang wars have marched on Downing Street...Lucy Cope, whose son Damian, 22, was shot dead outside a nightclub in London's West End...

22-year-old "children"?!

25 posted on 12/01/2002 8:23:22 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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How can a virtual ban on private gun ownership get any more restrictive?

As the old saying goes, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Here are "grieving Mums" complaining that thier offspring where viciously mowed down by "drug dealers" and "gangs." Look who the innocent offspring are hanging out with...I guess this minor point is worth overlooking when it comes to heartless, self-shooting, maniacle "GUNS."

26 posted on 12/01/2002 8:39:52 AM PST by Ground0
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I said it before, here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798383/posts?page=4#4
35 posted on 12/01/2002 1:08:08 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: David Hunter
Here's another story about this march.
42 posted on 12/01/2002 6:08:26 PM PST by David Hunter
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