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1 posted on 11/30/2002 6:07:06 AM PST by rickmichaels
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Seems to me the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Bingo.

And whatever anyone tells you to the contrary, no other faith seems to be behind death and destruction to such an extent and with such regularity at this point in history.

Unfortunately, true.

Perhaps when we can be mature and honest enough to admit this, the world can become a better place for everybody.

That would be nice to believe, but it goes against the very reality this guy is asking us to face.

History shows us that when fanatics--whether of a religious or political bent (which is all the same when you think about it)--begin slaughter in the name of whatever God or man they hold supreme, there is only one response that works.

We fought a world war just sixty-odd years ago, for much the same reason. That's not that long a time. You'd think we could figure it out.

2 posted on 11/30/2002 6:14:54 AM PST by Illbay
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great air name, rick.
3 posted on 11/30/2002 6:16:41 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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Most Christian Arabs are lovers of peace. Lovers of peace do not kill others. Therefore Most Christian Arabs do not kill others.

Many Muslim Arabs kill others. Lovers of peace do not kill others. Therefore Many Muslim Arabs are not lovers of peace.

One must conclude the Muslim ideology inspires the killing and not the Arab ethnicity. Islam is a religion of hate. Its core message is as single-minded as that of communism.

4 posted on 11/30/2002 6:25:22 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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Islam is a Cancer.
5 posted on 11/30/2002 6:45:05 AM PST by Radix
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Yeah? Well, this author needs to cross Islam. Say something that they interpret as insulting about Mohammed. That'll teach him a lesson.

And eventually it'll happen. Invariably someone in Canada will say something innocent that they interpret as an insult. Then, like Nigeria, all of these "peaceful" muslims will suddenly turn into frothing at the mouth fanatics and start tearing the place up.

6 posted on 11/30/2002 7:10:18 AM PST by America's Resolve
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The only good Muslims are slackers. The only peaceful, moderate Muslims are those who are not actually practising their faith. The Koran calls on Muslims to be terrorists and murderers. "Moderate Muslims" are simply those who are pretending to be Muslims but who are actually no longer following the dictates of their "religion".

If you are not a blood-thirsty killer, you are not following the Islamic Scripture.

The only True Muslim is a Terrorist.

The only Good True Muslim... is a dead Muslim.
7 posted on 11/30/2002 7:26:46 AM PST by samtheman
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They screamed and shouted "Down with beauty," as they ran through the streets attacking, hacking and beating any Christians they could find.

Sounds like the Feminazis. :)

8 posted on 11/30/2002 8:29:30 AM PST by dreamusic
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I would agree that the truth lies between the two extremes, but it is not in the middle. I don't really care what this Muslim or that Imam has to say. Going directly to the source, the Qu'ran, I find passages like sura 9:29-30 and 123 which say,

"[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)."

These and other verses quite understandably have inspired wars and depredations off-and-on for fourteen centuries. Like the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, it's all there in black-and-white, immutable, and online .

And if you are looking for "moderate" Muslims to help root out radicals, you are essentially looking for people who will be looked upon as traitors and apostates by friends and family:

Treaty of Muslims with Jews and other Non-Believers, 622AD
"No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer... A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer."
http://users.erols.com/zenithco/treaty22.html

I recommend reading the Qu'ran (or Koran), Hadith, Sharia and other Muslim documents and find for yourself the truth and what is spin, obfuscation and deception.

10 posted on 11/30/2002 9:33:02 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
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Well after reading this I am underwhelmed..
Micheal can't seem form his words correctly. The article starts out very tolereant with promise and ends with no answers, suppostions, opinion, or even fact. Obviosly to me this guys a liberal <-- NO content. He knows something is wrong but don't know what. Duh!.

Since liberals always choose the perpeterator over the victim, its only a small jump for Micheal to jump to the Muzzie's defense. Did'nt happen though, he just stopped to soon. Liberals have always had serios problems following the dots or dominos. SOooo, I'll do it for him.he.he.he.he.

Islam is not a religion at all, its a GANG, club, or hive. Like the BORG the whole content of Islam is in group think. Like Bees or ants, and inter Muslim conflict is merely honing the species to a more virulent form. Any cursory reading of the Qu'ran is comical, and reading the Hadiths (addl Muzzie bull sperm) is even more comical. The Hadith(s) account of progenitor(Mohamaad) life makes the life of Charles Mason look normal. When faced with such primitive and negative ideas found therein one searches for the real glue holding such a body together.

Its the hive think "brother", the muzzies are the model for the BORG, even if the StarTrek writers did'nt make the connection, I did. Most Muslim hav'nt even read the stuff quoted above because most can't even read. They just follow the mullah, since the meaning of Islam is "SUBMISSION" its easy to see why. Automatons like any/most other cults are not trained to be individuals but drones, kind of like a democracy, hive think, not nessarily group think.

Islam is not a religion, is a social disease in the truest sense of the word I know of. Even worst than Communism. Islam is the plan "B" of the dark side after Communism failed. Thank God the Commies were too dumb to link forces with the Mullahs in times gone by. If they ever do make the link the "force"(good guys) will lose. If you're a wouldbe Jedi, you better read up on this plague and quick because this social disease not going to just go away, and makes AIDS seem like a common cold. Because theres a cure for AIDS, absinence. Deprogramming 1.5 billion people simply ain't going to happen.

The short term Answer: Throw some light on the Qu'ran and especially the Hadaiths cause when the light goes on the roaches scatter for the darkness. Sad to say most media personalitys hav'nt the courage or TALENT to highlight anything but the obvious. If it were common knowledge, the content of the Musim writings, few would enter into that world. Sad to say few have read the Qu'ran, including MUSLIMS... Any Jedi'sout there, I challege you to take the plunge and GET INFORMED OR SHUT THE HELL UP.

11 posted on 11/30/2002 9:37:04 AM PST by hosepipe
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BTTTT
13 posted on 11/30/2002 11:39:21 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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