Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

[babygene]

bump for later

[TLBSHOW]

So if islam is a cult, outlaw it and ban it in America! Then deport it and jail it. There really is going to be no other way!

[rastus macgill]

I am not disputing your beliefs but I am equally not going to tell all Christians they worship the same God as the Jews.
Not having a dog in this fight I am relying on countless hours of religous radio broadcasts of Evangelicals Pentecostals Baptists and others as well as conversations ,both voluntary and coerced , with members of many Christian sects.
As for the BOOK all three faiths share portions of it and Christians read it quite differently from each other especially the literalists.
This is fine with me as long as no one attempts to interfere with my beliefs or freedom by force in the practice of their Faith

[fatidic]

You are totally WRONG about God in the First Covenant (Old Testament) being more blood-thirsty than Allah. You have failed to note the very limited groups identified for extermination and the very specific reasons God gave for such a drastic action and the very limited extent of the geography of the jewish conquest. Get a Bible and read it and quite spouting ignorant hearsay.

[Commie Basher]

Allah is childless. Many times the Koran states this.

In the OT, the Jewish God YHWH, says "you are my firstborn. Today I have begotten you."

Since religious texts are full of metaphor, you can easily reconcile these two passages -- YHWH/Allah is childless is some sense, but has children in another.

You can spin differences between all three religions, and within their various sects, or you can spin common ground. It all depends on how you wish to spin it, for whatever political purpose.

[Gal.5:1]

yes and yes.

[TLBSHOW]

HERE IS A BUMP

And I have it bookmarked for later use against Liberals and Blind People in America.

[crystalk]

The Koran is a false, satanic book.

The Book of Mormon is IMHO and that of Christians generally, not canonical and thus might be mistaken, but there is a big difference between a book that is written by the Devil,

--- and one that while written by a saint or saints, might err on doctrine or faith or practice and thus cannot be declared Holy Scripture! After all, my own writings right here on FR including this one, are of this latter category, if you think about it.

[Restorer]

Leviticus 24:16 (KJV) "He who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him; the sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Not terribly different from the present Muslim perspective. Primary difference would be in the definition of blasphemy.

[tessalu]

The bible says there is no sin in heaven. The God of the bible would not act as a pimp passing out 72 virgins for each man, and the God of the bible would not be sending murderers to Paradise. No the God of the Koran is NOT the
God of the bible, and they do not even agree on what sin is.

[InvisibleChurch]

'gods' such as money, fame, etc; not any other possible creators of the universe

[CanisMajor2002]

So if islam is a cult, outlaw it and ban it in America! Then deport it and jail it. There really is going to be no other way!

Can't do it. Matter of principle. If I can ban a religion, that means someone can ban mine. Not a good thing.

It's also against the law.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. --Amendment 1, US Constitution

[Commie Basher]

Have you actually read the Old Testament? The God in its pages is a good deal more bloodthirsty than that of the Koran.

Megadittos.

Christianity is rooted in the Old Testament -- and it shows. The Crusades are a mirror image of the Hebrews' bloody conquest of Canaan -- because "God told them to." And the Salem witch-burnings? "Though shalt not suffer a witch to live" is from the Book of Exodus.

I wish all religions grew up and admitted that they ALL have innocent blood on their hands, and vile passages in their "holy books." Instead of pointing fingers, how about all religions admitting that they bear some blame for past bloodshed, and acknowledging that all have some good things to offer.

[RnMomof7]

Muslims worship the moon god...

[rastus macgill]

war on Islam ? okay
alliance with any and all other faiths including dissenting Islamicists? all the better
forcing policy history and alliances to bring on your favorite scenario of the Eschaton?
F*** THAT !!!
I take that last position much more seriously than my political ideology

[tessalu]

Islam is not a religion, but a cult. But Jesus gave his life so that Muslims can be saved as well. But Satan tries to kill Muslims who want to leave Islam and follow Jesus. Pray that one day, Muslims can choose freely their beliefs. May God set them free from this evil bondage.

[Restorer]

I've read the Bible.

A number of times.

I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy (or, more likely, ignorance) of those who use certain (Koranic) texts to proclaim the inherently violent nature of Islam, while generally ignoring the arguably more violent nature of certain (Biblical) texts.

My problem is not that the Koran says that it is righteous to exterminate the enemies of God. The OT says pretty much the same thing.

My problem is that (some) Muslims are attempting to implement these texts today. I know of no Jewish or Christian groups attempting to do the same. If Muslims took the literal meaning of their sacred texts with the same grain of salt that Jews and Christians do, we would not have a problem.

IOW, the problem is not the wording of the text, it's the interpretation and application.

[crystalk]

You will find out how absurd your assertion is if you wander through a Muslim neighborhood blaspheming Allah, then wander through a Christian neighborhood blaspheming Jesus or a Jewish area blaspheming ha-Shem.

Actually, if you did A first you wouldn't surVIVE to do B.

You yourself are just blowing smoke, you know these religions are not equal and that Islam is uniquely bloodthirsty, nothing else on earth that passes for a religion anywhere is so violent and vicious.

[SupplySider]

Given there is only one God, yes, but too many people try to make God fit into their agendas.

I agree. Presumably, all those worshipping God hold Him to be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal, and infinite. By definition there can be only one with those characteristics. The only way to differentiate one's God would be to define Him as limited in some way.

[BlackVeil]

Radix, I agree with you that many messages in the Bible are mystical, but I am more in agreement with Restorer, when he points out the large amount of bloodshed in the Bible.

If a quote like "kill everything that breaths" - including babies at the breast - was in the Koran, there would be such outrage - we would never hear the end of it. But Christians feel comfortable with that because it is the Bible. Likewise, the stories about incest etc.