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Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?
frontpagemag ^ | 11/28/2002 | Serge Trifkovic

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:06:02 PM PST by TLBSHOW

Do Moslems, Christians & Jews Believe in the Same God?

One in a series of excerpts adapted by Robert Locke from Dr. Serge Trifkovic’s new book, The Sword of the Prophet: A Politically-Incorrect Guide to Islam

One of the clichés endlessly repeated by those who would conceal the dangerous potentialities inherent in Islam is that Moslems "believe in the same God" as Christians and Jews. But this is a severe distortion of the truth, for what Moslems fundamentally believe is that they know the true nature of the God that Judaism and Christianity tell lies about. Lies for which Christians and Jews will be punished in hell. The fact that Moslems share Levantine monotheism with us thus makes them more, not less, antagonistic to us on a religious level. Hopes for reconciliation on the grounds of common monotheism, as opposed to a realistic "good fences make good neighbors" civilizational détente, are wishful thinking.

The widespread belief in the non-Muslim world that Islam accords respect to the Old Testament and the Gospels as steps in progression to Mohammad’s revelation is mistaken. Modern Muslim apologists try to stress the supposed underlying similarities and compatibility of the three faiths, but this is not the view of orthodox Islam. Muhammad’s insistence that there is a heavenly proto-Scripture and that previous "books" are merely distorted and tainted copies sent to previous nations or communities means that these scriptures are the "barbarous Koran" as opposed to the true, Arabic one. (Let’s leave aside for a minute the puzzling question of how any degree of "distortion" of the Koran could produce either an Old or a New Testament.) The Tradition also regards the non-canonical Gospel of Barnabas, and not the New Testament, as the one that Jesus taught. The Koran alone is the true word of God and sets aside all previous revelations.

While the influence of orthodox Christianity upon the Koran has been slight, apocryphal and heretical Christian legends are the second most important original source of Islam. In other words, Islam contains an awful lot that Christians have deliberately rejected over the years as religiously unsound. There are also influences of Sabaism, of Zoroastrianism, and of ancient Arabian paganism, including the divine sanction for the practices of polygamy and slavery. The reports in both the Koran and the Hadith (authoritative traditional sayings) concerning paradise, the houris, (virgins) the youths, the jinn (genies) and the angel of death have been directly taken from the ancient books of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism also originated the story that on the Day of Judgment all people will have to cross a bridge stretched across hell leading to paradise on which the unbelievers will stumble and fall down to hell.

The biblical stories been passed on to Muhammad presumably from Jewish and Christian sources, but it is probable that he never read the Old or the New Testament. Those narratives had deeply impressed him, but being incomplete and imprecise, they gave his imagination free rein. Of the books of the Old Testament he knew only of the Torah or Pentateuch and the Book of Psalms, while the Scriptures he treats collectively as "the Gospels." Muhammad took these narratives as they were given to him, and their use in the Koran amounts to random, approximate and often badly misunderstood reproduction of the Talmudic traditions and the Apocrypha. Moreover, they are of course devoid of their original contexts and of the spiritual message of the original.

Many Old Testament stories are changed beyond recognition, and can be treated as a "source" only in the most general sense. Abraham did not offer Isaac, but Ishmael, as a sacrifice. "Haman" was pharaoh’s chief minister, even though the Haman known to Jews lived in Babylon one thousand years later. Moses was picked from the river not by his sister but by his mother. A Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, even though Samarians arrived only after the Babylonian exile. The accounts of Moses’ life are sketchy and say nothing of his character, descent, the time he was sent as a prophet, the purpose of his mission, and where, how and why he appointed Aaron as his deputy. It does not relate the argument between them and the people of Israel, which is crucial to the story. The story of Noah reflected Muhammad’s dilemmas and difficulties rather than Noah’s mission, and even the names of the idols that Noah warns against are Arabic.

The Koran makes reference to Jesus, Mary and events related to them, but with a critical distinction. It explicitly denies that Jesus was crucified: Allah made the Jews so confused that they crucified somebody else instead who had the likeness of Christ: "They slew him not nor crucified but it appeared so unto them." Muslims claim that an impostor by the name of Shabih was crucified, and he resembled Jesus in his face only. It seems illogical to those who count "proud" as one of the "99 most beautiful names of Allah" that Jesus, who was capable of raising the dead and of healing the blind and the leper, willingly submitted to the cross and failed to destroy the Jews who intended to hurt him. Islam rejects the whole concept of the crucifixion, claiming that it is against reason to assume that Allah would not forgive man’s sins without the cross: to say so is to limit his power: "He forgives whom he will, and he chastises whom he will."

The denial of the Trinity is also explicit: Allah begets not, i.e. he is no Father; and was not begotten, that is, he is no Son; and no one is like him, which means he is no Holy Spirit. "They are infidels who say, Allah is the third of three." But "Isa" is not the Son of Allah, only a special prophet, and the Christians’ contrary claim shows how they are perverted. The Christians are guilty of blasphemy because of their belief in the "trinity" of Allah, Mary, and Jesus. The "real" Jesus was a righteous prophet and a good Muslim who paved the way for the final prophet, Muhammad himself.

There is a wishful myth in circulation among liberals that Islam accords respect to all "people of the book," i.e. Christians and Jews in addition to Moslems. While Islam indeed accords them a higher standing than it does to polytheists like Hindus (pace the question of whether Hinduism properly understood is truly polytheistic) or African animists, this hardly amounts to respect. Of all the "people of the book" only Muslims can attain salvation. Jews’ and Christians’ refusal to acknowledge Mohammed as the messenger of God dooms them to unbelief and eternal suffering after death. Christians are mortal sinners because of their belief in the divinity of Christ, and their condemnation is irrevocable: "God will forbid him the garden and the fire will be his abode."

Unlike the Christian faith in God revealing Himself through Christ, the Koran is not a revelation of Allah – a heretical concept in Islam – but the direct revelation of his commandments and the communication of his law. It has been said that the Koran, to a Muslim, is not the perfected Gospel, it Christ, the Word Incarnate. This is a somewhat tenuous metaphor, however, not a valid parallel: Christian God "comes down" and seeks man because of His fatherly love. The Fall cast a shadow, the Incarnation makes reconciliation possible. Allah, by contrast, is cold, haughty, unpredictable, unknowable, capricious, distant, and so purely transcendent that no "relationship" is possible. He reveals only his will, not himself. Allah is "everywhere," and therefore nowhere relevant to us. He is uninterested in making our acquaintance, let alone in being near to us because of love. We are still utterly unable to grasp his purposes and all we can do is what we have to do, to obey his command.

The Koran claims to be the fulfillment of a religious design which was imperfectly revealed to the Jews and to the Christians. It is the crowning synthesis, the final word. But viewing the matter objectively, leaving aside for a moment the question of the actual truth of the book, it seems hard to see how the Koran is a synthesis of anything. The way in which Christianity makes sense – again, simply as a logical matter and leaving aside the truth of it – as a fulfillment of Judaism, is clear even to the unbeliever. But the Koran’s claim is singularly implausible. Non-Muslim commentators fail to see in what way is the Koran an improvement over, or advancement on, the moral teaching, language, style, or coherence of the Old and New Testament. It is looks, feels, sounds like a construct entirely human in origin and intent, clear in its earthly sources of inspiration and the fulfillment of the daily needs, personal and political, of its author.

Finally, one cannot ignore that whatever mildly friendly things the Koran may say about Judaism and Christianity in its early part, the late Surras also signify the final break with the Jews and Christians, who are fiercely denounced. The Muslims must be merciless to the unbelievers but kind to each other. "Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them." War, not friendship, is mandatory until Islam reigns everywhere. Muslims are ordered to fight the unbelievers, "and let them find harshness in you." They must kill the unbelievers "wherever you find them." The punishment for resistance is execution or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. By the stage in his life during which these Surras were written, Muhammad was no longer trying to convert his hearers by examples, promises, and warnings; he addresses them as their master and sovereign, praising them or blaming them for their conduct, giving laws and precepts as needed. His raw dogmatism stands, finally, naked of all pretence.


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To: Cultural Jihad
If I am not right yet, I ought to be, and someday will be, if the country survives.
402 posted on 11/30/2002 9:56:16 PM PST by crystalk
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To: TLBSHOW

Respectfully, Todd, you are unable to even prove that Ann Coulter exists.

403 posted on 11/30/2002 9:57:25 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
you will love this...

If God exists at all, then by definition he must be beyond definition!


http://www.eternal.ndirect.co.uk/page14.htm
404 posted on 11/30/2002 9:59:40 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: crystalk
Respectfully, that is nonsense. As President Bush has said, we are not at war against a valid religion. We are at war against maniacs who are cowardly hiding behind the skirts of a valid religion. Should we listen to what crystalk says? Or to what President Bush says? Gee, there's a tough choice! (not)
405 posted on 11/30/2002 10:01:19 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
A father has three sons. The youngest calls him "Ba" while the middle son calls him "Daddy." Only the eldest can correctly address him as "Father." Yet the father knows when any of his children are calling upon him.

Sir, with all due respect: A theologian you ain't.

406 posted on 11/30/2002 10:01:48 PM PST by BenR2
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To: Cultural Jihad
Whoever said the Mecca cult was a valid religion? No Christian ever would think so, or Jew either...

It makes David Koresh look like a choir boy.

407 posted on 11/30/2002 10:04:12 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Cultural Jihad
But my views are so much more interesting, and more often right!

But I don't look near as good in a suit.

408 posted on 11/30/2002 10:05:35 PM PST by crystalk
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To: Cultural Jihad
I can prove Ann Coulter exists.

in fact she said this.

Nigerian Muslims instead chose to hack innocent people to death with machetes in the name of Allah



"We don't need gun control, we need Muslim control."

Muslims might do their part by not killing people all the time

Religion of Peace suffered a PR setback when Muslims in Nigeria welcomed the Miss World beauty pageant by slaughtering Christians in the street and burning churches to the ground. At last count, more than 200 people were dead

They expressed their displeasure with the article by bludgeoning, stabbing and burning Christians to death. In one part of Nigeria, enforcers of the Religion of Peace commanded that Muslims kill Isioma Daniel, the authoress of the blasphemy. (Overheard at Miss World contest: "Does this make me look fatwa?")

" Without the terrorism, Muslims would just be another group of "anti-choice" fanatics.

Ann Coulter
409 posted on 11/30/2002 10:07:04 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Well, thanks for the link, but they are wrong, too. Being wrong about God is nothing unusual, though. All our ideas about God fall far short of the glory of God. God has form. Then again, God has a myriad of forms. Then again, God is formless. To assert that God has a form and can not be formless is as wrong as to assert that God is formless and has no form, or that God has one form only.

All argumentation about the nature of God comes from ignorance. Perhaps you have noticed that the empty cart makes the most noise.

410 posted on 11/30/2002 10:08:17 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Want to know the truth? Muslims are flying airplanes into buildings and cutting off people heads while worshipping allah. You tell me who here has the empty cart? Someone that says that it is a religion of peace or someone that says that it is a cult of death? Hummmm!
411 posted on 11/30/2002 10:16:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
And self-professed Christians were lynching blacks not too long ago. Should we condemn Christianity as well, since they used Christianity as an excuse for their hatreds? Thanks, Todd, but I choose to follow the lead of President Bush rather than you. It's nothing personal, you understand.
412 posted on 11/30/2002 10:21:22 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/790912/posts

Coulter Debates PoliSci Prof in Bristol, RI on 11/21/02 (Be There!)
The Providence Journal ^


Posted on 11/18/2002 0:22 AM EST by Doctor Raoul


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AND HERE


Beauty pageants can be murder! Coulter advises carving up Christians poor PR for 'Religion of Peace'
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, November 28, 2002 -- Happy Thanksgiving! | Ann Coulter


Posted on 11/28/2002 2:08 AM EST by JohnHuang2


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/797337/posts



Inasmuch as liberals are demanding that Americans ritualistically proclaim, "Islam is a religion of peace," Muslims might do their part by not killing people all the time.





413 posted on 11/30/2002 10:23:09 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: nicmarlo
Those who believe differently, who do not believe in the Triune God, who do not believe the Words of Christ, are not, therefore, Christians.

Are you supposing that all the words in _John_ are the words of Christ?

Despite the clarity that WORD = GOD (became) FLESH gives you for the meaning of a holy trinity, you are aware of the evolution of the interpretation of the trinity over the first few hundred years following Jesus's death.

The problem, of course, to make the idea of a multiplicity (trinity) compatible with the more important idea of a single deity. It isn't hard to get the impression that there are at least two distinct consciousness's--Jesus's and God's, especially from passages like Mark 1:11, “You are my one dear Son in you I take great delight” or Mark 15:33, "My God, why has thou forsaken me?" which would seem a bit odd if there were only a single consciousness.

So all those folks read from the same witness accounts, but all had a little different take on the nature of Christ in their effort to keep the religion monotheistic, while still maintaining constistency with the scriptures.

The decision on which would prevail was ultimately a political one, made by a Roman emperor.

414 posted on 11/30/2002 10:26:26 PM PST by beavus
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To: Cultural Jihad
Follow the truth my friend! The lynching I see is muslims killing Christians!
415 posted on 11/30/2002 10:26:30 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
Well, Coulter is a created being; in existence one moment, and gone the next. You are unable to truthfully assert that she hasn't returned to her Maker from one moment to the next. Similarly, you have no inkling as to whether a religion is a cult or not, or whether God exists or not.

Thanks, but I choose to follow the lead of President Bush in this matter. We are not at war with Islam.

416 posted on 11/30/2002 10:28:43 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: TLBSHOW
We are at war with violent Arab nationalists, not unlike the Christian Identity freaks, or racists from any society.
417 posted on 11/30/2002 10:30:56 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Start a thread and tell everyone that then! LOL
418 posted on 11/30/2002 10:31:50 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Cultural Jihad
cj its in their bible, it says to kill every christian and Jew. that is the duty of the muslims. That is what makes the Ann Coulter story chilling. People left their worship of allah and started to kill. Truth is and fact is that was what happened.
419 posted on 11/30/2002 10:35:52 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
As I said, you are free to follow President Coulter. I choose to follow President Bush.
420 posted on 11/30/2002 10:38:41 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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