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Why Orwell matters
A Times | 11.27.02 | Jim Lobe

Posted on 11/26/2002 5:40:17 PM PST by Enemy Of The State

Why Orwell matters
By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - A Pentagon plan to build a giant computer system capable of mining thousands of databases containing the most private information about United States and foreign citizens are coming under fire from civil liberties groups and lawmakers in both major parties.

The Orwellian-sounding 'Total Information Awareness' (TIA) project, the brainchild of a leading player in the notorious Iran-Contra scandal during the government of former president Ronald Reagan, is designed to create "a virtual, centralized, grand database" that includes the financial, medical, communication and travel records of virtually everyone entering or living in the US.

The idea was brought to the Defense Department immediately after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks by retired Admiral John Poindexter, Reagan's national security advisor, who, since his disgraced role in the Iran-Contra affair, has been working in the data technology field.

Earlier this year, Poindexter was named to head the Information Awareness Office of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the Pentagon office that works with the private sector to develop cutting-edge technologies (such as the Internet) with military or defense applications.

The TIA system would be designed to scan the patterns of people's conduct - including, for example, their use of the Internet, medical records and credit card purchases - to determine who might be engaged in terrorist or related hostile activity against the US.

Concern among civil libertarians - which has risen steadily since the attacks due to the expansion of the FBI's spying authority and a series of court decisions upholding the detention powers of the executive branch - has mushroomed since details about the project were first published by the New York Times earlier this month. Critics say the system could well lead to a "surveillance state".

The Fourth Amendment of the US constitution, which forbids unreasonable "searches and seizures", is one of the most sensitive in the Bill of Rights. In addition, the military has long been banned from engaging in domestic law enforcement and surveillance. "This could be the perfect storm for civil liberties in America," says Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC).

He noted that, once developed by the military, the technology would probably be given to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) or the agency created as a result of the Homeland Security Act, which was signed into law by President George W Bush on Monday. "The outcome [would be] a system of national surveillance of the American public," added Rotenberg.

"If the Pentagon has its way, every American - from the Nebraska farmer to the Wall Street banker - will find themselves under the accusatory cyber stare of a powerful national security apparatus," said Laura Murphy of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

In opposing the plan, traditional civil libertarians are being joined by right-wingers, whose historic distrust of big government appears to be overcoming their fears of terrorism. Many on the far right have also grown increasingly angry with one of their own, Attorney-General John Ashcroft, for using the September 11 attacks as the justification to expand the powers of government prosecutors and the FBI at the expense of individual liberties.

The Justice Department "seems to be running amok and out of control", complained the just-retired Republican Majority Leader in the House of Representatives, Dick Armey, last month. "[It] is the biggest threat to personal liberty in the country."

Armey has reportedly signed on with the ACLU, as had former ultra-right-wing Bob Barr, to lobby Congress against any extension of the TIA. This weekend, Barr called the TIA "outrageous" and chided Congress for not yet acting to limit it. "You would think the Pentagon planning a system to peek at personal data would get a little more attention," he said.

Newspapers are also getting into the act. "Congress should shut down the program pending a thorough investigation," the Times said last week, while the Washington Post called at the very least for the appointment of an outside committee to oversee the office's plans before it proceeds.

The Pentagon insists that the plan is innocent and, when completed, any new search system will be run by domestic agencies subject to normal constitutional and legal safeguards. "It is absurd to think that DARPA is somehow trying to become another police agency," said Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Logistics, and Technology Edward C "Pete" Aldridge at a briefing last week.

"DARPA's purpose is to demonstrate the feasibility of this technology. If it proves useful, [TIA] will then be turned over to the intelligence, counter-intelligence, and law enforcement communities as a tool to help them in their battle against domestic terrorism." He also insisted that only US$10 million had been budgeted for the project, an assertion strongly contested by civil liberties groups.

Citing DARPA's own documents, for example, EPIC's Rotenberg said Monday that $243 million had already been earmarked for the project.

Other critics have noted that the agency has a long history of secrecy. In a letter to Senate leaders a week ago, 30 civil liberties groups complained that DARPA has "resisted lawful requests for information about the program pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act".

Poindexter's position as head of the TIA office is probably not helping the government's cause. The unflappable, pipe-smoking admiral, who achieved the top of his class at the US Naval Academy, was the highest-ranking Reagan official convicted of lying to Congress about the illegal scheme to divert profits made from secretly selling weapons to Iran to the Nicaraguan Contras.

While an appeals court later overturned his conviction, Poindexter has never expressed regret for his part in the affair, which, among other things, included ordering then Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North to lie about his role in the scandal.

When Poindexter's return to government was first announced last January, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer defended his appointment by saying, "The President thinks that Admiral Poindexter has served our nation very well."

Why Poindexter was chosen to run the TIA program was explained last week by Aldridge. "John Poindexter has a passion for this project. He has an enthusiasm for this project," said the Pentagon's Aldridge.

Adding to the sense that the TIA program is indeed something out of the pages of Orwell's classic novel 1984 are the symbols for Poindexter's office: a pyramid with an all-seeing eye and the Latin motto, Scientia Est Potentia (Knowledge is Power).
 


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1 posted on 11/26/2002 5:40:17 PM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
You know, what all this "Orwell," "Big Brother," bash Fox, talk radio and the Washington Times ...new bunch of new lefty talking points tells me is that they were really hit hard by Ann Coulters book. This is there revenge. They are sooo uncreative.

Hey lefties, what about the "Ministry of Truth" part of Orwell's book? hmmm? who does that sound like? The ONLY reason Big Brother could be successful was because of their control of the facts: media, history, etc.. Only one political party tries to shut down debate and control what the American people hear and see and think. That would be the Democrats!

2 posted on 11/26/2002 5:47:09 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Enemy Of The State
Agree.
3 posted on 11/26/2002 5:47:31 PM PST by sauropod
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To: Enemy Of The State
All this arguing is wasted...

Both sides are right.

Bush does not intend to misuse this power.

But he'll be followed by those who gladly will.

4 posted on 11/26/2002 5:51:11 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: Enemy Of The State
The Justice Department "seems to be running amok and out of control", complained the just-retired Republican Majority Leader in the House of Representatives, Dick Armey, last month. "[It] is the biggest threat to personal liberty in the country."

I tend to agree with this statement.It seems the 4th amendment has gone out the window.
5 posted on 11/26/2002 5:53:50 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: RAT Patrol; Enemy Of The State
TIA will be our Big Brother
You are failing to take into consideration what will be done with this system AFTER Bush.
Last time I checked President Bush has 6 years left. Who will be the next President?
What party will he be from? Will we be able to trust them?
Have we ever been able to trust big government?
While Orwell had Big Brother we will have TIA ( Aunt in Spanish)
In time the results will be the same
Long Live Gran Tia!

Try a little reading . You might learn how fragile freedom really is
http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/cc-books.html#1984
1984 by George Orwell
6 posted on 11/26/2002 6:19:06 PM PST by watcher1
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To: DWSUWF
But he'll be followed by those who gladly will.

Wise words bump


7 posted on 11/26/2002 6:25:25 PM PST by watcher1
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To: Enemy Of The State; DWSUWF
It's almost as if they're doing TIA as an Orwellian joke or something, but it's real. I'm expecting them to come out and say, "ha.... just thought we'd see how far we could go".

They even put a giant eyeball on their logo. How effed up is that?

8 posted on 11/26/2002 6:33:17 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: AAABEST
"...It's almost as if they're doing TIA as an Orwellian joke or something, but it's real. I'm expecting them to come out and say, "ha.... just thought we'd see how far we could go"..."

It's as though there's a certain inevitability pushing events along.

Like a Greek tragedy, we seem to be fast approaching a point where everything that we do will be wrong.

9 posted on 11/26/2002 6:45:55 PM PST by DWSUWF
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To: watcher1
I have read the book. Recently. There is no way you can compare the two.

Yes, I think it's good that we have multiple watchdogs over the government and people crying foul--even if they are frequently over the top--because the greatest danger to all of us is an out of control government (unless Al Qaeda gets us first, so maybe not the GREATEST danger, but..).

Still, I think there is a lot of conspiracy theory ridiculousness going on with this. Sure, criticize all you want. But, "Big Brother" as in Orwell's 1984? I don't think so.

The monopoly the leftist media has on a majority of political speech in this country is way more threatening, imo. If you control what people hear and learn then you control it all. A government "of, for, and by the people will fall right in line when "truth" is set to accomodate the agenda of one side and debate is shut down.

In short, it's not that I don't see you have a point. But the point is WAY smaller in my view than in yours. The analogy is playing very fast and lose with the true concept of the book and it isn't factoring in the real threat from al Qaeda.

10 posted on 11/26/2002 6:47:19 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: EricOKC
undocumented worker bump to 1984
12 posted on 11/26/2002 6:54:44 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Enemy Of The State
I have enjoyed some of Orwells books. Apart from 1984, his Coming up for Air, the story of a little man (George Bowling), seeking to go back to his roots- is a classic.

I have always felt that had George Orwell been able to speak to us today, he would have said something like this.

It is what is done with knowledge and intelligence. Not that the possession of it is necessarily a dangerous thing, to a law abiding society.

If we can entrust George W.Bush and the kind of people that he gives this awesome power to, we will be all right.

Without me overstaying my welcome as a Canadian citizen, there are some groups one would feel intimidated by,and not long gone at that. Then we have our own Government- I will say no more.

14 posted on 11/26/2002 6:56:44 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: RAT Patrol
Hey lefties, what about the "Ministry of Truth" part of Orwell's book? hmmm? who does that sound like? The ONLY reason Big Brother could be successful was because of their control of the facts: media, history, etc.. Only one political party tries to shut down debate and control what the American people hear and see and think. That would be the Democrats!

Close. The one party is Republicrat, the war party, that would allow no other voice to be heard in the presidential debates. They are the one party that has been successful at shutting down debate and controlling what the American people hear, see and think. The Republicrat agenda is globalism no matter what the cost to the United States Constitution or the citizens supposedly protected by that document.

The ONLY reasons people vote for the Republicrats are fear, ignorance and apathy. This forum was founded on the idea of return to Constitutional government, reducing the size and scope of government in the process.

Republicrats are no friend of the Constitution.

15 posted on 11/26/2002 6:59:21 PM PST by UnBlinkingEye
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To: DWSUWF; 2sheep; Prodigal Daughter; babylonian; Jeremiah Jr
When I was out shopping today, I noticed in the toy department, an abundance of SWAT play sets. Will there be companion sets, say, of Elian and family, or perhaps Christian homeschoolers? Spy kits seem to be common, too. One box had a catchy selling point, something like "Secretly listen to conversations through the walls" or some such claim. I wish I could remember what it said, because it wasn't the usual type of silly claim. The wording was peculiar, and rather insidious.
17 posted on 11/26/2002 7:14:40 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: RAT Patrol
After the threat from Al Qaeda is nothing more than an ancient memory, or chapter in a history book, will these laws still be with us?
The answer can only be yes.
That's the problem
18 posted on 11/26/2002 7:15:55 PM PST by watcher1
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To: EricOKC
But Orwell's war was a tool used to control(War is Peace), not a fact.

All the voices shouting foul--not a bad thing--is proof that as long as our Constitution doesn't get redefined by activists judges we will never get near Orwell's 1984. That is especially including the First Amendment. If the left's attack on free speech continues then we are really in trouble. As long as we can all shout about it and, this is key, BE HEARD, I think we will be just fine.

BTW, if al Qaeda kills all of us what difference will anything make?

19 posted on 11/26/2002 7:50:04 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: UnBlinkingEye
I just really don't believe that, UBE. However, I agree that third parties with a minimum (low, we don't want it to be an invitation to crazies, but we want to keep if open) should be included in debates. How's that?
20 posted on 11/26/2002 7:53:03 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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