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Sez you and Bill Clinton and Bill Walker.

And all the evidence supportive of Serb culpability, from the surviving witnesses to the forensic investigation results which completely trashed Milosevic's damage control efforts is thus discarded.

I don't think so.

It means that to you.

So what this is about is the meaning of the phrase "in association with".

Why stop there, wonders? Why not debate the meaning of the word "is" while we're at it?

To wit, the meaning of the statement in the executive summary is plain, and just because you are confused by simple statements is no reason to assume that the rest of the world also suffers from that affliction.

I'm not stupid, and you're not stupid. So do us both a favor and don't play the part and cease any attempts to dissimilate words from their meaning.

Stanojevic was not tried by any Serbian judiciary - my point about the uselessness of the Serbian legal system still stands. It was thoroughly compromised during Milosevic's tenure, and it remains compromised to this day.

Your points, wonders, have been addressed ad nauseum on other threads, and quite frankly, I find it fruitless to counter each and every repetition of faulty logic and outright lying every time I see them - as for Bubba, he's not pertinent to the central facts, so why are you attempting to discredit the investigation and it's results by introducing him? It's one of those logical errors I was referring to. Please make a note of it.

I make no judgements on you as a person, wonders, but your methods are unsound and your resultant opinions flawed, and I will not hesitate to point that out to you.

It seems that everyone out there is amazingly flawed and guess who is not. Hoplite failed to address the points I was making in our exchanges as well, which leads me to believe there is a pretty big head living in the Hoplite residence. He only sees what he wants to and ignores the facts, insight and point of views from people who were in the Balkans dealing with the mess first hand like Wonders and myself. He is so easy to dismiss what his ego does not what to hear.

Personaly I believe Hoplite is suffering from acute lack of self esteem and as a result has to compensate for this by dominating anything that he comes in contact with. What he can not dominate he destroys. Simply the world is wrong Hoplite is right.

Low self esteem is quite a problem in society these days and why would Hoplite be immune. FR is just another part of his own experience that his personality needs to control. Not once have I ever heard Hoplite say you have got a good point there or I agree with you. Hoplite should send posts to himself in which case he will no longer be in conflict, he will be in a position to agree with the only entity out there, that shares his point of view, himself.

I would suggest dealing with the low self esteem problem and once that has been addressed Hoplite will find that his ego which dominates him and his world will subside dramatically and he will one day take the big towards not being arrogant. Hoplite is intelligent but his need to fight with people sadly takes that all away. A case in point;

,b>Your points, wonders, have been addressed ad nauseum on other threads, and quite frankly, I find it fruitless to counter each and every repetition of faulty logic and outright lying every time I see them..

Here Hoplite in a defensive move to protect his perfection is lashing out and making a lame excuse in regards to Wonders concern that Hoplite does not address the points she brought up. Hoplite’s ego (which is in charge of Hoplites life) is very delicate and takes the egotistical point of view that Wonder's points have been address other places and thereby conveniently avoids taking responsibility and being accountable for his inaction in addressing Wonder’s legitimate concern. No worries Wonders this same thing is what turned me off on Hoplite. Its just a matter of seeing it for what it is.

Of course Wonder's logic is faulty and her point of view is being inferred to by Hoplite as lies. How arrogant. You Hoplite are the farthest from the truth to yourself and to what is going on in the world. Wonders is by far one of the most credible posters in FR and my dear Boy Wonders walks the walk so have some respect and you can start doing this by learning to respect yourself and stop acting like the real whipping boy you are. Do grow up little man.

Hoplite, this the end, and this will be my very last post to you. I see no point in our exchanging posts in future. I once had respect for you and appreciated your useful links. You have now become shrill and illogical, lashing out when no lashing out is warranted.

I was actually being nice to you when I said "in association with" could be interpreted as "adhered to". Look up "in association with" in your handy-dandy thesaurus and you will see it means exactly what I took it to mean. I still seriously doubt that human material was found adhered those bullets. Perhaps you can continue your education in forensic science to find out why I doubt it. It's simple science.

You refuse to comment on, or even acknowledge the Finnish ballistics analyses, yet you could have a field day with those findings supporting your premise that the Serb police did in fact gun down those 23 men. You hurt your own cause by ignoring them.

You are not interested in finding the truth, nor even in looking at all the facts so far as they might relate to supporting your pet theory. You pick and choose what is convenient to you and ignore the rest.

You keep accusing me of lying. Although when I have asked you where and how I have lied, you give no answer. I have never, ever intentionally lied about anything, and I think everyone here knows that. I don't think even Torie or Trop would ever think such a thing of me.

I have been unfailingly polite to you, and you come back with unsubstantiated accusations and nastly insults. If that's your game, then play it with someone else. I've had it with you. And, I must confess, I once thought better of you and am bitterly disappointed in you.

You are bound and determined that everything happened in Racak the way Clinton said it did, despite what HRW's witnesses say, and despite what the Finnish ballistics experts say. I am keeping an open mind. So let's agree to disagree and completely leave each other alone. I am entirely done with you.