Humans In Oregon 10,000 Years Ago

AP/Newsday ^ | 11-25-2002 | Joseph B. Frazier

[blam]

Humans in Oregon 10,000 Years Ago?

By JOSEPH B. FRAZIER
Associated Press Writer

November 25, 2002, 9:31 AM EST

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Researchers have found traces of a human presence on the Oregon coast dating to more than 10,000 years ago, raising the area's importance for those who study the peopling of the Americas.

The findings at the Indian Sands site in Boardman State Park are more than 2,000 years older than previous discoveries along the Oregon coast. The site, about 12 miles north of Brookings, was excavated in August by a team of researchers from Oregon State University.

The discovery, which dates to the end of the last Ice Age, also lends weight to the theory that early inhabitants of the area might have arrived by sea, rather than by land.

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[Carry_Okie]

Chatters in his book (see post #10), says that there are not any skeletons of American Indians/Native Americans (as we know them today) ever found in North America that are older than 6,000 years old.

6,000 years... that key demarcation. All sorts of dawnings, the world over. Makes you wonder about the prior sunset. Might been rather sudden, doncha think? :-)

[Cogadh na Sith]

Good point.

This date would kind of support the 'roming hyenas of Siberia' theory of that one fellow.

Wouldn't it be interesting to look for domestic dog remains at these Oregon sites and compare them to the dog remains found in Siberia?

[Carry_Okie]

I going to post a chart from that reef catastrophism paper I've been talking about:

Source:

Journal: Geology, a publication of The Geological Society of America

Blanchon, Paul, John Shaw, 1995: Reef drowning during the last deglaciation: Evidence for catastrophic sea-level rise and ice-sheet collapse. Geology: Vol. 23, No. 1, pp. 4–8.

[farmfriend]

I going to post a chart from that reef catastrophism paper I've been talking about:

catastrophism: My son thinks that is the funniest word you ever made up.

You've been talking about reef catastrophism? Enlighten the idiots amongst us.

[Carry_Okie]

I didn't make up that word. It's used by those who study the consequences of major events in earth's history, usually related to meteor impacts and such. They can play a key role in history because of the dislocations of people due to resulting crop failures and famine.

In this case, rapid sea level change drowned reefs the worldwide over several specific intervals. Please consult the chart above. Note that we live in an unusually calm period for sea level change (Global Warming notwithstanding). One might expect that to indicate a golden age for reefs as it were. Except for one thing, there are reefs around the world that are in jeopardy, some for unknown reasons. I have a hunch that reefs might become over-mature just as forests do, needing the occasional kick in the head of a major change in sea level to reorganize and start over. It fits the pattern, so to speak.

[Grampa Dave]

As usual you are right on target here:

Um, what if they aren't?

It would seem that by "collaborating" on the research the tribes might successfully prevent the embarassment of a Kennewick II and the threat that represents to effecting successful legal claims as "indigenous peoples."

[farmfriend]

I know you didn't make it up. He does too. He dared me to post it because he thinks it's funny. 13 year old humor doesn't always make sense.

[Grampa Dave]

So what did Eric post that made him a piece of cold leftover ham?

[Grampa Dave]

You posted, "Have you ever met anyone whose ancestors came by land? It was either sea or air."


I know a whole lot of Mexican Americans living in Kaliland, whose ancestors came by land. Most walked over and up.

[farmfriend]

From what I have read about Native American suits in things like Kennewick man, they consider any person living here prior to Columbus as a ancester. If you could prove that Kennewick man was black they would still claim him as an ancester. Or at least the more radical ones would.

[Grampa Dave]

Teenager humor is usually not humor to any adults within miles of them.

[farmfriend]

Teenager humor is usually not humor to any adults within miles of them.

In general, I would agree. Nate has a pretty good sense of humor usually. Not this time and mamma should have just said no. My apologies!

[Belial]

Give the poor kid a break. It was funny.

[oceanperch]

This explains the in-breeds down in Waldport.

[Carry_Okie]

You can bet they'll be right there with the casino bucks to protect 'their' turf.

Gives new meaning to the term "monopoly money," doesn't it?

[Carry_Okie]

No need to apologize. Simply tell him that the term was borrowed from those who study the bedrooms of teenage males.

[farmfriend]

So apropos!

[Carry_Okie]

Something about being clairevoyant...

[farmfriend]

Something about being clairevoyant...

Or male...

[Grampa Dave]

The bending of science, the blocking of good scientific investigation and in the cases of the Kinnewick skeletons, censorship and actual blocking of historical research is rampant in this country.