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LITTLE WHITE LIES (Administration tells about Islam)
Chronicles Magazine ^ | November 22, 2002 | Thomas Fleming

Posted on 11/24/2002 7:38:43 PM PST by Keyes For President

"From the mountains of Afghanistan to the valleys of Bosnia to the plains of Africa to the forests of Asia and around the world we are on the ground working with our Muslim partners to expand to the circle of peace, the circle of prosperity, the circle of freedom." Secretary of State Colin Powell, in pronouncing these glorious phrases (we hope he did not actually break precedent and write them himself) sounded like a Fourth of July orator invoking the rock-bound cliffs of Maine and the sunny shores of California.

Secretary Powell is apparently unaware that there are forests in Africa and plains in Asia, but the myopia is pardonable when you are running circles around the rest of the world. What the secretary would prefer not to bring up is the fact that in both Africa and Asia Muslims, many of them funded by "pro-Western" governments and oil sheiks, are engaged in a genocidal massacre of Christians. Presumably the genocide in Nigeria and the Sudan is not the partnership Secretary Powell envisions, presumably the Islamic terrorism in Indonesia and the Philippines is somewhat outside the circle. In Bosnia, where the United States supported an Islamic that wanted to impose Islamic law on a Christian majority, one of our Muslim partners was none other than Osama bin Laden.

Not content with repeating the palpable absurdities that are the staple of the multiculturalist left--a critic of the administration would use harsher language--Powell went on to describe plans to bring more Muslims into the United States and to excoriate those who sing "the siren song of the bigots, extremists who cloak themselves in false spirituality in an attempt to divide and to weaken us." Whether he was talking about Osama bin Laden or Pat Robertson (guilty recently of hinting that Islam may not be entirely a religion of peace), was not entirely clear upon the first reading of the AP report of Powell's address to a group of Muslim leaders. But if by "bigots and extremists," Powell means Muslims who claim religious support for terrorism against Christians, then he should have named the man who introduced this belief into Islamic thought: Muhammad himself.

We all know that the Bush administration is caught between a rock and a hard place. They are going to war against a country full of Muslims (Iraq), supporting what may be Bibi Netanyahu's quest for a final solution of the Palestinian problem, while still wanting to make nice with oil-rich states we pretend to believe are "moderate." There is nothing moderate, from the Christian point of view, about Saudi Arabia, which forbids Christian symbols and preaching the gospel and funds anti-Christian Islamic movements around the globe. Saudi Arabia spawned Osama bin Laden--and the Saudi millionaires who continue, according to reports, to support him.

Pat Robertson has the issue right. He knows that Islam, despite the existence of millions of "bad" Muslims who reject some of the fundamental tenets of their faith, is a religion of war not peace, that any country with a sizable population of even bad Muslims contains a ticking time bomb, ready to go off in hard times when confused people begin looking for their spiritual roots. When Christians find their roots, they find the Prince of Peace. When Muslims rediscover theirs, it is Muhammad the terrorist.

I wish no ill to Muslims, either as human beings or as adherents of a religion I reject. I would like to leave Muslims alone, in exchange for being left alone. I do not support, at this point, the planned invasion of Iraq, and I agree with the many patriotic Israelis who realize that Sharon and Netanyahu, egged on by their supporters in the United States, may well bring about the total destruction of Israel. I cannot, however, swallow the lie that Islam, as a religion, is compatible with our Western way of life or that global terrorism is not a legitimate expression of authentic Islam.

So long as America's political leaders continue to treat the people as children, so long as they continue to misrepresent the most basic facts of the life-and-death struggle confronting America and the West, our foreign policy will be confused and dangerous, and our control of our own borders and destiny will become more tenuous with every passing day.

Telling fairy tales about a nonexistent partnership with terrorists in order to justify the importation of more Muslims may seem, to State Department staffers and gofers, like a brilliant move. In the short run it might bump President Bush from being, at the moment, the most popular Republican in the century-and-a-half history of his party to being the most popular Republican who will ever live. But in telling their little white lies, they are playing with fire, as many a parent has learned after lying to his children. When the time comes to ask the American people to defend their borders and their interest from a global jihad, these lies will inevitably come back to haunt them.

P.S. Our Muslim Partners Expand the Circle

Nigeria is in "the forests of Africa," where Colin Powell says our Muslim partners are "expanding the circle of peace." The past few days, however, our Muslim partners in Kaduna (a large town in northern Nigeria), have not been listening to Secretary Powell's speeches: They were too busy killing Christians and burning their churches.

The trouble started when a newspaperman, knowing the Prophet's eye for beauty, suggested that Mohammed himself would have approved of the Miss World Contest. To protest this affront, Muslims (no, not radical Islamicists, but Muslims) first burned down the newspaper and then went on a killing spree that left more than 100 people dead and 500 injured. Some of the victims--all or mostly Christians, so far as we can tell--had been stabbed first and then set on fire. According to the AP story, "hordes of young men, shouting "Allahu Akhbar," or "God is great," ignited makeshift street barricades made of tires and garbage, sending plumes of black smoke rising above the city." Although it is now that Muslims started the riot and destroyed at least four churches, a later AP story, published in the Washington Post, preferred to give the impression that Christians were to blame for the violence: "In neighborhoods dominated by minority Christians...youths smashed windows and set fires in mosques used by the ethnic Hausa and Fulani Muslims who dominate Kaduna."

Kaduna, though the majority of the population is Muslim, has a sizeable Christian minority. Of course, Christian and pagan Nigerians have fought back against the Muslims' violence, but what Western reporters like to call a civil war or ethnic conflict in northern Nigeria is nothing less than an ongoing genocide. The next time Colin Powell is chatting it up with our Muslim partners, he might ask them about the millions and millions of dollars they have poured into Africa for the sole purpose of exterminating Christianity--and, of course Christians--on that continent.

On the same day Nigerian Muslims were crying "down with beauty," another peaceful Muslim was taken into custody in Indonesia on the charge of plotting the terror-bombing in Bali that claimed 200 victims, and still another peaceful Muslim (Palestinian, this time) tried to blow up a busload of schoolchildren, and still another Palestinian Muslim in nearby Lebanon murdered an American Christian whose sole crime was preaching the Christian gospel of peace.

This has not been an unusual week. Every day around the globe committed Muslims are murdering and massacring Christians, and yet American politicians go on pretending that these criminals are merely a handful of extremists. Only this September, Antony Sullivan--longtime whitewasher of Islamic aggression--called upon President Bush to remove "Sudan from the list of terrorist-sponsoring states, though Dr. Sullivan knows full well that the Sudanese regime has refused to end the orgy of terrorism and violence directed at is own Christian population.

In repeating the mantra that "Islam is a religion of peace," our leaders are acting like children who protect themselves from the bogeymen by pulling the covers up over their heads--except in this case, the bogeymen are real.


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To: Luis Gonzalez
Yes, I am a monarchist. I believe that divine-right monarchy is the best and most Christian form of government. I am philosophically opposed to the idea of popular or representative government, and look forward to the day when mankind's adolescent obsession with the humanistic and overtly anti-Christian idea of democracy (and the global atheistic Revolution that is its political realization) ends and is replaced by the proper, traditional Western and Christian idea of Divinely-ordained hierarchical authority.

That being said: I do not advocate monarchy for the United States. As a native-born American, I naturally am a loyal supporter of our governments and leaders, including our federal government. We Christians are commanded to "fear God and honor the king", which means we are charged with obeying the laws ad faithfully supporting the legal and proper governmental authority that God has established in our countries-- in our case, the constitutional government of the United States of America. This I gladly do.

I eagerly anticipate the day when Western man wakes up from his narcissistic dream of self-government and re-establishes the social order natural to pious and free Christian men -- that is, Christian monarchy. Until then, I will continue to loyally support the government and laws that a gracious God saw fit to establish in the land of my birth.

321 posted on 11/25/2002 10:08:57 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: B-Chan
Of course in the end either Christianity or Islam will become the dominant global culture, and I still maintain that Christianity must prevail. In that regard, even the mildest and most patriotic American Moslems cannot be considered as allies.

Since I can see neither promise nor commandment in Holy Scripture that bids me work toward global Christian cultural dominance, I must respectfully disagree. Augustine's "tranquillity of good order" seems a sufficient political goal, and Sheikh Kabbani looks like a perfectly adequate ally in that struggle. Beyond that, daily denying self and following Jesus to the cross gives me so much to do, and I am so unskilled at it, that I find I haven't time to seek global dominance.

322 posted on 11/25/2002 10:10:12 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: B-Chan
You don't believe that man has either thr right, or the ability to self-govern?

You believe in a divinely ordained head of government?

You basically believe the same thing as Muslims?
323 posted on 11/25/2002 10:13:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Southern Federalist
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Please realize that St. Augistine's "tranquility of good order" can only exist within a cultural milieu that tolerates the existence of Christianity. Since no culture on Earth today outside of western Judeo-Christian culture or its thralls tolerates the existence of Christianity within its desmesne (e.g. the Islamic world, communist China, etc.) then our saint's sought-after "tranquility of good order" is synonymous with a dominant Christian civilization. In other words, the options for Christendom are limited to global dominance (where a variety of religious beliefs may be practiced within the context of the Natural Law) or martyrdom, persecution, and suffering under the Islamic antichrist.

Should we forthrightly and vigorously defend our lives and our faith from those who would murder us and cast our religion into the gutter? Yes! But we must never allow ourselves the satanic luxury of hate. We are commanded to love our enemies, and I pray you will grant me the boon of your interecession before the Risen Christ that His Spirit will strengthen all of us so to do. But loving one's enemy requires one to recognize one's enemy, and at no time did Our Lord require of us that we refuse to admit that we have enemies; He simply commands us to love them. One can therefore raise up arms against a sworn enemy with a pure heart; like Constantine, we can oppose the enemies of Christian civilization and even kill them if need be, with the cry in hoc signo vinceson our lips and the Sgn of the Cross on our banners -- so long as we never stoop so low as to hate them.

One need not hate the robber who comes in the night; it is enough simply to kill him the moment he threatens to bring harm to one's home and family. Similarly, by taking up arms against the heresy of Mohammed, whose adherents threaten our homes and families, we do no more than our duty as men and as Christians.

Please pray for me.

324 posted on 11/25/2002 10:33:21 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: Keyes For President
WWIII
325 posted on 11/25/2002 10:49:18 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You don't believe that man has either thr right, or the ability to self-govern?

I do not believe that man has either the right or the ability to govern himself justly. The idea of popular government constitutes a rejection of authority -- a Luciferic, humanistic, anti-Christian Enlightenment idea that has led to disaster in every instance of its practice. Christianity is a relgion of hmility, not pride; submission, not self-rule; and is based upon the idea of a humble Man submitting himself to the will of a Divine Father and King . The Faustian fantasy of men-as-gods, knowing for themselves Good and Evil, is a lie straight from the lips of the Serpent of Eden.

You believe in a divinely ordained head of government?

I believe that all government is instituted by God, and that those forms of government that most closely mirror the Divine Order of the Universe -- the Kingship of Christt-- are by nature better and more holy than others.

I furthermore recognize the fraudulent ideals of the Revolution -- liberté, egalité, et fraternité as the damnable lies they are. The only true liberty is that created by submission of the individual will to the Spi rit of the Lord; the only equality that exists is the equality of all sinful human beings next to the perfection of Our Lord; and the only fraternity that can ever be is the brotherhood of believers under Christ. Liberty in the Enlightement sense is a pagan goddess; Equality is an obvious fraud, since some people are by nature manfestly more qualified to lead and judge other men; and Fraternity is a satanic lie that dissolves outside of the love of Christ.

In short: I believe that hierarchy is the natural way to organize a society, and that some people are gifted by God with the ability to rule other men.

You basically believe the same thing as Muslims?

No. I believe that there is no God but God; I deny that Mohammed was His prophet.

326 posted on 11/25/2002 10:59:20 PM PST by B-Chan
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To: Southern Federalist
No system of belief and practice that was all Taliban, all the time, could have lasted this long and won the loyalty of so many people.

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Yes it can if it's good enough and brainwashing and control.

327 posted on 11/25/2002 11:11:40 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
es it can if it's good enough and brainwashing and
control. ahould read es it can if it's good enough AT brainwashing and
control.

328 posted on 11/25/2002 11:18:02 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK
Let's try again. Eyes are shot.

Yes it can if it's good enough and brainwashing and control. ahould read Yes it can if it's good enough AT brainwashing and control.

329 posted on 11/25/2002 11:20:58 PM PST by RLK
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To: RLK; Southern Federalist; B-Chan; BlackVeil; Torie; home educate; Luis Gonzalez; ...
Southern Federalist:
No system of belief and practice that was all Taliban, all the time, could have lasted this long and won the loyalty of so many people.

RLK:
Yes it can if it's good enough AT brainwashing and control.

      And the threat of being stoned to death or beheaded (when not a bluff) is a very effective means of control.

B-Chan:
But we must never allow ourselves the satanic luxury of hate.

      However, anger is an emotion which God has described himself as having.  I do not hate Muslims.  I am angry at a system of beliefs which condones promotes the murder of those who do not accept it.  It is a maxim of many Christians to hate the sin, but love the sinner.

BlackVeil:
In those Medieval times that you speak of, Christians considered the killing of the Jews to be more important than the killing of Muslims.

      This was a temporary aberation of Christianity, which was essentially limited to one denomination. 

Torie:
5% to 10% annual growth suggests mass conversion somewhere

      I really don't think that the exact number is particularly significant.  However, another thread contains a list of countries which have fallen to Islam in recent years: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/767930/posts Nigeria is now in the process of falling.  The fall of a nation to dar islam is always followed by mass conversions.  (Again, the threat of death is a very effective means of control.)  This is the way Islam has grown, since its beginning, by the sword

Keyes For President:
"LITTLE WHITE LIES"

      Lies, yes.  Little, no.  White, no.  But thanks for the post.
330 posted on 11/26/2002 12:43:34 AM PST by Celtman
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To: Celtman
I think you covered it rather well.
331 posted on 11/26/2002 1:05:25 AM PST by RLK
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To: Celtman
"And the threat of being stoned to death or beheaded (when not a bluff) is a very effective means of control."

These threats always existed, and Christianity flourished through it all. Are you saying that today's man does not have the faith needed to overcome the same sort of obstacles faced by early Christians?

332 posted on 11/26/2002 7:58:20 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: B-Chan
So, what you are saying then is that Kings are divinely appointed, and are MORE than men.

You are nuts.

Don't bother, I'm not answering.
333 posted on 11/26/2002 8:01:04 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: home educate
Now, when are you going to show me where I claimed that there are 3 billion Muslims in the world?

Or are you simply going to be known as a liar?
335 posted on 11/26/2002 10:04:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: home educate
"I wouldn't worry about the size of an enemy who's armed with bows and arrows while I'm armed with stealth bombers."

As I said...a moron.

336 posted on 11/26/2002 10:12:37 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: home educate
You entered this thread insulting me, suggesting that I am a shill for Islam, saying that I was lying, telling others that I am on the enemy camp, and LYING about the number of Muslims I said there are in the world.

You are not only a moron, you are a liar as well.

337 posted on 11/26/2002 10:15:17 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
These threats always existed, and Christianity flourished through it all. Are you saying that today's man does not have the faith needed to overcome the same sort of obstacles faced by early Christians?

      I assume you are referring to Roman persecution of Christians.  The Roman Empire was civilized for its time, and was not as thorough as the followers of Mohammed have been. 

      I will not presume to judge the relative faiths of those who fled from or were killed by the followers of the prophet of the moon god against those of the early church. 

      I will observe that Constantanople was once the center of the Christian world; it is now Istanbul in a country which is 99.8% Muslim.  Syria was once Christian; it is now 90% Muslim.  Even Saudi Arabia, which is now 100% Muslim, once had Christians.  Enough?  (Current figures taken from the CIA World Factbook.)

      I recommend another thread: World conflicts Islamic fundamentalists are involved in
338 posted on 11/26/2002 11:14:43 PM PST by Celtman
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To: Celtman
"I really don't think that the exact number is particularly significant."

I am in complete agreement.

"However, another thread contains a list of countries which have fallen to Islam in recent years."

You may be right about Siberia.

339 posted on 11/27/2002 12:15:14 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: dcwusmc
Funny you should mention gene pool and sailors in the same post. Still trying to figure out who to send the father's day card to I see.
340 posted on 11/28/2002 5:46:43 PM PST by CWOJackson
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