New Rifle To Go To Production in Israel

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[yonif]

Been published Sunday that there will be a new rifle that will be in production in the Israeli Military Industries. The price tag, $1500 a gun. This is a gun that uses 2 types of weapon characteristics. This will be the new gun given to some special forces divisions in the IDF.

[Tijeras_Slim]

The JERICHO 941FS looks like a close clone of the CZ75B.

[yonif]

Do you have a pic of the CZ65B?

[Tijeras_Slim]

Sorry for not being an HTML wizard, but you can see one at:

http://www.czusa.com/_p/pdt.php?id=5

[lavaroise]

Short is good for storming buildings, but if you cannot go from the left handed to right handed aim with a bull pup in a house where walls alternate left and rigth, it becomes dangerous. Unless they can find a way to eject the shells elsewhere, like ahead with a sort of cusp, the bull pup design is inherently problematic.

[NY.SS-Bar9]

And don't forget the newly plentiful supply of once-fired brass and surplus ammo!

[yarddog]

I believe the perfect battle rifle cartridge was developed over 100 years ago. The 6.5 Swedish Mauser. There is a point where all the ballistic compromises meet. The 6.5 is powerful without excessive recoil.

I actually think the AR-15/.223 combo is about perfect for use against people.

I once fired a bullpup based on a Remington fireball action. There is something very unsettling about having that explosion going off right beside your face.

[montag813]

My mouth is watering at the "Desert Eagle". Looks like it should be in "The Matrix".

[Tailback]

The case on the 6.5X55 is a little long. Considering that the 7.62 (.308) is on a 51mm case, and the 5.56 is 45mm, you could probably shorten the 6.5 down to 48 to 50mm length and still have excellent ballistics. The 6.5 Swede is definately a sweet round though.

[yarddog]

You are probably right that it could be shortened and maybe made a little fatter and still maintain the same ballistics. I know the .308 was shortened in order that it work better in automatic actions. On the other hand, the 30-06 was really long and I have never heard any complaints about the BAR and Browning's other machine guns not functioning well.

The 6.5X55 is already fairly short. There really does seem to be something remarkable about the .264 diameter bullets. The Swedish round is just about the right power to go along with it. BTW the old military round nose 160 grain bullets which are very long will penetrate better than anything I have ever seen. When I was about 18, I ordered one of those Swedes through the mail I also ordered some military ammo. I then went down to my Uncle's swamp and literally could not find a tree thick enough to stop one of those bullets.

I have shot a fair amount of deer and those 139 grain plastic tips kill them like lightening.

For some reason the Swedish Mausers tend to be more accurate than other similar rifles. I have no idea why but they really are accurate. In fact I have never had an inaccurate Swede and I once ordered six at one time. I am certain that I have owned more than 20 of them and not a bad one in the bunch.

[yarddog]

You are probably right that it could be shortened and maybe made a little fatter and still maintain the same ballistics. I know the .308 was shortened in order that it work better in automatic actions. On the other hand, the 30-06 was really long and I have never heard any complaints about the BAR and Browning's other machine guns not functioning well.

The 6.5X55 is already fairly short. There really does seem to be something remarkable about the .264 diameter bullets. The Swedish round is just about the right power to go along with it. BTW the old military round nose 160 grain bullets which are very long will penetrate better than anything I have ever seen. When I was about 18, I ordered one of those Swedes through the mail I also ordered some military ammo. I then went down to my Uncle's swamp and literally could not find a tree thick enough to stop one of those bullets.

I have shot a fair amount of deer and those 139 grain plastic tips kill them like lightening.

For some reason the Swedish Mausers tend to be more accurate than other similar rifles. I have no idea why but they really are accurate. In fact I have never had an inaccurate Swede and I once ordered six at one time. I am certain that I have owned more than 20 of them and not a bad one in the bunch.

[Tailback]

Making it shorter and fatter like the .308 could also make it more accurate. I'm no ballistic genius but I know that the .308 is a more accurate round than the 30.06 because the shorter case allows more even burning of the powder. In fact the CMP won't allow .308 rebarrelled Garands shoot in their Garand matches because of the advantage (albeit slight) of the .308 over the '06. Don't forget that the powders today allow much more flexibility than what was available in the 1940's. Of course I'm pretty sure you already know all of this, so I'm just writing for other people's info. I sure am jealous of you having owned all of those Swedes, I've never owned one but I've drooled over pictures of them while reading articles and posts from owners. Maybe someday when I'm done buying match gear... (haha, like that will ever happen)

good shooting

Tailback

[yarddog]

Things are going downhill fast.

As I mentioned my first Swedish Mauser was ordered through the mail. Since 1968 that has been illegal. When I bought the six Swedes at one time, they were ordered by my next-door neighbor when I lived in Kansas during the 80's. He had to complete the multiple sales form and mail to ATF. Now he is no longer a dealer because they raised the license fee so that a hobbyist can no longer afford to be a dealer and that was the idea. BTW those 6 Mausers were only $50 each and all were like new except one had a crack in the stock near the butt plate. As luck would have it, it was the one which was the most accurate. I eventually replaced the stock even tho I had repaired the original one.

I once read where a gun writer said he had never seen a Swedish Mauser which would not group into 2 inches or better. That has also been my experience.

[AF68]

Dr. Louis Palmisano and Ferris Pindell developed the 6mm PPC based on the 220 Russian case, which is a variation of the 7.62 x 39mm (M43) Soviet military cartridge.

[templar]

Yeah, but I think it's stretching it a bit to call it a soviet designed case (nitpicking a bit maybe). the PPC has a different body taper, much different shoulder angle and is (very) slightly shorter. the Russians never designed a 6mm or 22 ppc cartridge and there is no combloc weapon I know of that has been chambered for it. It's like saying the 30-06 is german designed because the rimless 7/8 mm mauser type of cartridge was the basis for the design when the army decided the 30-40 krag was inadequate. For me to accept that a cartridge is actually Soviet designed would mean that the Soviet union had actually developed the cartridge and something chambered to shoot it. IMO.