New Rifle To Go To Production in Israel

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[yonif]

Been published Sunday that there will be a new rifle that will be in production in the Israeli Military Industries. The price tag, $1500 a gun. This is a gun that uses 2 types of weapon characteristics. This will be the new gun given to some special forces divisions in the IDF.

[da_toolman]

Ping

[templar]

6mm PPC Soviet designed? I thought the PPC was developed by Ferris Pindell and Dr Louis Palmisano of Palmisano Cartridge Co. As far as I know, it's the most accurate cartrige in the world. Most PPC shooters I know use very accurate micrometers to measure their groups.

[LouD]

The Uzi is a reliable SMG, but carrying one is like carrying a steel brick, compared to an MP5.

[alphadog]

I think it is really cool...but I'll wait for the .338 Ultra Mag version.

[ctdonath2]

Sight radius is only meaningful on traditional two-part sights. Holographic, red-dot, Reflex, and ACOG type sights eliminate the need for sight radius, and permit greater sighting accuracy in shorter guns.

[SBprone]

The hot ticket in across-the-course highpower competition is a cartridge championed by David Tubb that he calls the 6mmX. It will do things at the 600yd line that the 6mm-.223 wildcat just can't approach. The 6mm-.223 wildcat has been tried by many in highpower but never with much success.

I don't know if this cartridge is feasible in a modern rifleman's weapon but you can read about it at http://www.zediker.com/tubb/images/dies/xcdieins1.html

Both the 6mmX and the 6mm PPC have much fatter cases than the .223 and that may be the deal killer from a weapon design standpoint.

[Tailback]

we need to get rid of the 5.56 round and switch to a 6x45mm or 6.5mm
You're a man after my own heart! The 6mm or 6.5mm (.243 and .264 cal respectively) would be the perfect balance for an assault rifle. Add in the operating system of the German G-36, and keep the ergonomics and controls of the M16 lower reciever. That would be the perfect assault rifle and we keep the SAW and M-240 because there's simply nothing out there better than those two.

[Tailback]

Oops, to correct my post above the SAW would of course be switched to fire the new caliber.

[lavaroise]

Yep, the Gallil was a nicer combo. Also, better, is the ROCC conversion upper for the M4, a longstroke piston replacing the infamous powder blow in the system of the M4. This thing just wont jam. A bit expensive though at $1500, but it will save your life. contact bobspc3@earthlink.net I believe if you want info on this. I believe it is for LE right now, but maybe it has changed.

[xm177e2]

The Israelis use red-dot sights. Sight radius is irrelevant.

[xm177e2]

The Galil is reliable, but it's HEAVY. If you're going to be out in the desert for a long time without reinforcements or air superiority, it's a good choice. But that's just not the situation Israel is in.

For urban combat, the M16 is a much better choice.

For storming a building, I would assume a short bullpup would be the best choice.

[Travis McGee]

The training is 100 times more important than the particular weapon selected, given basic accuracy and reliablity.

100 well trained and highly motivated troops with M1 carbines will kick the ass of 200 trashy troops with the latest high speed gear every time, and will quickly inherit their gear if they so choose.

These threads always get hung up on what is essentially trivia.

[griffin]

"For urban combat, the M16 is a much better choice.

For storming a building, I would assume a short bullpup would be the best choice."

What is the difference? For the most part I thought urban combat WAS storming buildings.

[xm177e2]

What is the difference? For the most part I thought urban combat WAS storming buildings.

There is a defensive side of urban combat (holding positions and checkpoints).

And of course Travis is right, there isn't a huge difference between weapon types.

[Lion Den Dan]

These things are just waiting to take the operator's fingers off. Underwhelming,

[.577 Tyrannosaur]

The Merkava Mk.4:

This newly-introduced beauty weighs 65 tons, sports a 1500-hp engine, possesses more advanced armor than any other MBT currently in use, and its 120mm gun can fire high-tech, high-power munitions including new 2-piece high-penetration projectiles and guided shells. The Merkava Mk.4 also features an improved thermal-imaging system, a rear-end camera, a computer guidance system, and an internally operated 60mm mortar system developed by Soltam Ltd. The mortar can fire explosive and illumination rounds to a range of 2,700m. More info here: http://www.defense-update.com/directory/merkava4.htm

All things considered, it is probably one of the best tanks in the world right now...

[Sparta]

I read in a survey, that the Merkava 4 was the third best tank after the Abrams and the German Leopard 2 in 2002.

[Charles Martel]

The laws of physics don't change. All American war rifles over the last 100 years have had a long sight radius, making them accurate at long ranges. Anybody using the thing pictured better hope he never needs to shoot anything more than about 50 yards away.

The barrel and receiver are just set back further, with the receiver actually inside the buttstock. Barrel length is comparable to the M-16 and M-4 rifles (several lengths available), which will give downrange performance similar to the current U.S. rifles and carbines. As with the Steyr AUG and other bullpup designs, a long sight radius is not possible, so the soldier must use an optical gunsight.

That optical sight must be one tough unit, too - the Israelis are not known for approving weak designs when it comes to their military hardware. It looks a bit like the EOTech/Bushnell Holosight, a unit that received unexpected praise from Soldier of Fortune magazine. I would be a bit hesitant to make a military rifle depend upon a battery-powered sight, but it appears that the Israelis may have done just that. Perhaps the fact that the sight also contains also a laser designator helped in that decision. That makes sense, actually. Israel is very dependent upon air power and this new rifle and sight/designator would give every soldier on the battlefield the ability to guide precision munitions to the target.

IIRC, this bullpup can be switched from right-side ejection to left-side ejection without tools. Look at the left side, above and to the rear of the magazine well. The outline of the left-side ejection port is visible.

[griffin]

hmmm. Ok. Thanks.