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World's biggest telescope to prove Americans really walked on Moon (HOLD MY BEANIE ALERT)
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | November 24, 2002 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 11/23/2002 5:00:25 PM PST by MadIvan

Conspiracy theorists, you have a problem. In an effort to silence claims that the Apollo Moon landings were faked, European scientists are to use the world's newest and largest telescope to see whether remains of the spacecraft are still on the lunar surface.

For years, doubters have claimed that Nasa, the US space agency, spent billions of dollars faking the landings to convince the world that it had beaten the Soviet Union to the Moon. A host of supposed evidence has been put forward, ranging from the absence of stars on any photographs taken by the astronauts to the fact that the Stars and Stripes they planted seemed to flutter in a vacuum.

Earlier this month, Nasa tried to put an end to the controversy by commissioning a definitive account of the evidence for the landings. Days later, it dropped the idea after criticism that it was wasting money by taking on the lunatic fringe: naturally, this only boosted claims that the space agency was trying to hide something.

The row even boiled over into personal conflict in September when police in Beverly Hills were called in to investigate claims that Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin - the second man on the Moon - punched a conspiracy theorist who accused him of lying about the landings.

Now astronomers hope to kill off the conspiracy theory once and for all by using the Very Large Telescope (VLT) - by far the most powerful telescope in the world - to spot the Apollo lunar landers.

Operated by European astronomers in the Chilean Andes, the VLT consists of four mirrors 27ft across linked by optical fibres. It can see a single human hair at a distance of 10 miles.

Trained on the Moon, such astonishing resolution should enable it to see the base of one or more of the six lunar modules which Nasa insists landed on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Any images of the modules would be the first not to have been taken from space by Nasa.

Dr Richard West, an astronomer at the VLT, confirmed that his team was aiming to achieve "a high-resolution image of one of the Apollo landing sites".

The first attempt to spot the spacecraft will be made using only one of the VLT's four telescope mirrors, which are fitted with special "adaptive optics" to cancel the distorting effect of the Earth's atmosphere. A trial run of the equipment this summer produced the sharpest image of the Moon taken from the Earth, showing details 400ft across from a distance of 238,000 miles.

The VLT team hopes to improve on this, with the aim of detecting clear evidence for the presence of the landers. The base of the lunar modules measured about 10ft across, but would cast a much longer shadow under ideal conditions.

Dr West said that the challenge pushed the optical abilities of one VLT mirror to its limits: if this attempt failed, the team planned to use the power of all four mirrors. "They would most probably be sufficiently sharp to show something at the sites," he said.

Dr West insisted, however, that the decision to examine the landing sites was not driven by the conspiracy theory. "We do not question the reality of the landings," he said. "It is more for instrument-testing purposes."

Supporters of the conspiracy theory welcomed the news that astronomers are to photograph the landing sites. Marcus Allen, UK publisher of Nexus magazine and a long-time advocate of the theory, said: "I would be the first to accept what they find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man."

He added, however, that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. "Getting to the Moon really isn't much of a problem - the Russians did that in 1959," said Mr Allen. "The big problem is getting people there."

According to Mr Allen, Nasa was forced to send robots to the Moon and faked the manned missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. "We know that no lead shielding was carried on Apollo, so how were 27 astronauts able to survive a journey of several days to and from the Moon?"

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, said that the supposed radiation hazard is a myth spread by conspiracy theorists.

Dr Robert Massey, an astronomer at the Royal Greenwich Observatory, said that the conspiracy theorists are unlikely to be deterred by photographic evidence. "Even if the VLT does see something, I suspect it won't silence them. In science we can never totally prove anything - but we can prove things beyond reasonable doubt."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apollo; beanie; conspiracy; moon; theories; tinfoil
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To: SierraWasp
Yes it was IHC, and others int those threads, which were amazing. Unfortunately, and understandably, like some kind of trailer trash, we have to hide out tin foil roots, so as to seem more respectable.
141 posted on 11/23/2002 7:20:48 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: edwin hubble
Typo:

(I have seen the new display on the subject at the Science Museum of Virginia).

Note: that each clear night these reflectors are used.
Due to laser dispersion only a few photons are captured on return.

But they are slightly shifted in wavelength and the time-of flight indicates the moons (and the Earth's) motion.
These experiments somewhat recently have shown us the nature of the soft inner layers of the moon.
142 posted on 11/23/2002 7:21:44 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: MadIvan
"We know that no lead shielding was carried on Apollo, so how were 27 astronauts able to survive a journey of several days to and from the Moon?"

They had the Plutonium PU-38 Explosive Space Modulator on board.

143 posted on 11/23/2002 7:26:19 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: petuniasevan
Timestax is a nutbasket. First he believes part of the moon landing was faked; now he believes that your lost-wax casting was faked.
144 posted on 11/23/2002 7:34:59 PM PST by dinodino
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To: timestax
I was trying to remember why I stopped visiting and posting at FR a long while ago... the racism was getting sickening and then, after the Fox channel's ludicrous moon hoax program, the tinfoilers were out in force on FR after I posted an article about how we really did go to the moon. Glad to see that the surprisingly large number of FR tinfoil crackpots seems not to be posting these days. I hope they're all living off the grid and away from society on their Montana ranches or whatnot.
145 posted on 11/23/2002 7:37:32 PM PST by turbojugend
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To: timestax
The only bit I remember with the flag flapping was during the launch of the ascent stage. In fact, when I saw this as a kid who was an avid space fan, I recall noting how the flag was apparently braced with wire to make it stick out from the pole in the low gravity environment.
146 posted on 11/23/2002 7:38:30 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Shooter 2.5
Neal Armstrong stepped off the ladder and he mentioned the texture of the soil BEFORE he started the "One Step Speech"

NASA had a contingency plan that required Armstrong to prepare a visual assessment from the pad before he stepped off, in case something went wrong suddenly and they had to abort the rest of the mission and return to the Command Module quickly.

I also believe that at the first opportunity he picked up a lunar "contingency" sample for the same reason.

147 posted on 11/23/2002 7:42:34 PM PST by NJJ
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To: MadIvan
It is EUROPPEAN MONEY that is being wasted in this case...
148 posted on 11/23/2002 7:50:06 PM PST by chilepepper
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To: MadIvan
Where is the waste of money? The telecope has been funded by taxpayers money and the scientists are going to be paid by taxpayers money anyway.
149 posted on 11/23/2002 7:50:24 PM PST by fifteendogs
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To: deport
Conveniently, NASA claims to have abandoned them on the dark side of the moon so that no part of our world can ever prove that we were actually there.

Dark side of the moon? This whole thread is irrelevant because there is no moon, much less a dark side of it. I rented a video 2-3 years ago which was narrated by Rodney King which proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the "moon" is just a mirage. Why would NASA want to land on a mirage anyway?

150 posted on 11/23/2002 7:51:58 PM PST by ALASKA
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To: HighWheeler

151 posted on 11/23/2002 7:52:49 PM PST by wimpycat
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To: timestax
Which pics do you, or others, think were faked?
152 posted on 11/23/2002 7:55:57 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: chaosagent
You forgot that he said "Houston, Tranquillity Base here..." before saying that the Eagle had landed.
153 posted on 11/23/2002 8:03:18 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: timestax
But your " Stance has changed " . You said you did not believe all of the picture's so post or share with us in some way what pictures you do believe in . This is the 2nd time I've asked this request .

I see now you have added the word filmclips .

154 posted on 11/23/2002 8:04:25 PM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: petuniasevan
"Don't accuse me of fibbing.

I was there. Pleasant Valley Senior High of Chico California. You go right ahead and research this.

Sounds too logical and easily explained. Must be fake.

155 posted on 11/23/2002 8:04:49 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: HighWheeler
I thought the first words were something like "contact light", which occured when some kind of a probe on the bottom of the lander actually touched the moon during landing. Listen to the tape again...

It could all have been faked. I remember my first wife claimed she faked...oops, sorry never mind...

156 posted on 11/23/2002 8:13:44 PM PST by SirChas
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To: realwoman
No, I moved out of that area in 1994. I now live in Wisconsin.

But my dad still lives in Chico.

157 posted on 11/23/2002 8:19:33 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: HighWheeler
LOL!
158 posted on 11/23/2002 8:22:04 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: SirChas
Here is the conversation as the Eagle approached and landed on Luna:

Aldrin: "...Contact light."

Armstrong: "Okay engine stopped."

Houston: "We copy you down, Eagle."

Armstrong: "Houston uh, Tranquillity Base here, the Eagle has landed."

What is so great is that Armstrong had come up with the term "Tranquillity Base" on his own, without any NASA or Apollo 11 crew knowledge. NASA was absolutely delighted with the term.

The "Mr Gorsky" story is a complete hoax.

Apollo 11 had between zero and 6 seconds of fuel on board when it finally landed, miles downrange of the original target. It is not known for sure that the engine stopped because of use of the off switch on board.




159 posted on 11/23/2002 8:23:36 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: Lokibob
Here's another one: Pictures of Apollo astronauts erecting a US flag on the Moon show the flag bending and rippling. How can that be? After all, there's no breeze on the Moon....

I recall from the original newscasts that the lunar flags had wire mesh running through them specifically so they could be molded to look as though they were waving in the wind.

160 posted on 11/23/2002 8:24:54 PM PST by The Duke
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