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World's biggest telescope to prove Americans really walked on Moon (HOLD MY BEANIE ALERT)
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | November 24, 2002 | Robert Matthews

Posted on 11/23/2002 5:00:25 PM PST by MadIvan

Conspiracy theorists, you have a problem. In an effort to silence claims that the Apollo Moon landings were faked, European scientists are to use the world's newest and largest telescope to see whether remains of the spacecraft are still on the lunar surface.

For years, doubters have claimed that Nasa, the US space agency, spent billions of dollars faking the landings to convince the world that it had beaten the Soviet Union to the Moon. A host of supposed evidence has been put forward, ranging from the absence of stars on any photographs taken by the astronauts to the fact that the Stars and Stripes they planted seemed to flutter in a vacuum.

Earlier this month, Nasa tried to put an end to the controversy by commissioning a definitive account of the evidence for the landings. Days later, it dropped the idea after criticism that it was wasting money by taking on the lunatic fringe: naturally, this only boosted claims that the space agency was trying to hide something.

The row even boiled over into personal conflict in September when police in Beverly Hills were called in to investigate claims that Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin - the second man on the Moon - punched a conspiracy theorist who accused him of lying about the landings.

Now astronomers hope to kill off the conspiracy theory once and for all by using the Very Large Telescope (VLT) - by far the most powerful telescope in the world - to spot the Apollo lunar landers.

Operated by European astronomers in the Chilean Andes, the VLT consists of four mirrors 27ft across linked by optical fibres. It can see a single human hair at a distance of 10 miles.

Trained on the Moon, such astonishing resolution should enable it to see the base of one or more of the six lunar modules which Nasa insists landed on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Any images of the modules would be the first not to have been taken from space by Nasa.

Dr Richard West, an astronomer at the VLT, confirmed that his team was aiming to achieve "a high-resolution image of one of the Apollo landing sites".

The first attempt to spot the spacecraft will be made using only one of the VLT's four telescope mirrors, which are fitted with special "adaptive optics" to cancel the distorting effect of the Earth's atmosphere. A trial run of the equipment this summer produced the sharpest image of the Moon taken from the Earth, showing details 400ft across from a distance of 238,000 miles.

The VLT team hopes to improve on this, with the aim of detecting clear evidence for the presence of the landers. The base of the lunar modules measured about 10ft across, but would cast a much longer shadow under ideal conditions.

Dr West said that the challenge pushed the optical abilities of one VLT mirror to its limits: if this attempt failed, the team planned to use the power of all four mirrors. "They would most probably be sufficiently sharp to show something at the sites," he said.

Dr West insisted, however, that the decision to examine the landing sites was not driven by the conspiracy theory. "We do not question the reality of the landings," he said. "It is more for instrument-testing purposes."

Supporters of the conspiracy theory welcomed the news that astronomers are to photograph the landing sites. Marcus Allen, UK publisher of Nexus magazine and a long-time advocate of the theory, said: "I would be the first to accept what they find as powerful evidence that something was placed on the Moon by man."

He added, however, that photographs of the lander would not prove that America put men on the Moon. "Getting to the Moon really isn't much of a problem - the Russians did that in 1959," said Mr Allen. "The big problem is getting people there."

According to Mr Allen, Nasa was forced to send robots to the Moon and faked the manned missions because radiation levels in space were lethal to humans. "We know that no lead shielding was carried on Apollo, so how were 27 astronauts able to survive a journey of several days to and from the Moon?"

Dr Duncan Steel, a space scientist at Salford University, said that the supposed radiation hazard is a myth spread by conspiracy theorists.

Dr Robert Massey, an astronomer at the Royal Greenwich Observatory, said that the conspiracy theorists are unlikely to be deterred by photographic evidence. "Even if the VLT does see something, I suspect it won't silence them. In science we can never totally prove anything - but we can prove things beyond reasonable doubt."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: apollo; beanie; conspiracy; moon; theories; tinfoil
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To: tet68; RadioAstronomer
Maybe the glowing aura was electrically charged very fine dust?

Or...?

We've gotta go back to the Moon and do some serious exploring, and RA wants to head a radio observatory on the far side!

101 posted on 11/23/2002 6:34:08 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: The FRugitive
I think they tried this once with the FLT (Fairly Large Telescope) and it didn't exactly cut the mustard so they sent it back and got the VLT model. How did you know about the BFT. I thought that was top secret!
102 posted on 11/23/2002 6:36:13 PM PST by openotherend
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To: MadIvan
Believe it was Lewis Grizzard who said that his granny believed that the moon landings were fake but that wrasslin' is real.
103 posted on 11/23/2002 6:36:42 PM PST by don-o
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To: timestax
It would be a lot easier if you could point us to some video demonstrating what you are talking about.

The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal has a lot of video clips along with EVERY picture taken on the moon. (so much for not being able to find pictures).

And all the explanation here are valid, depending on the clip you look at. One clips show the flag waving after the ascent stage lifts off, but most of the "waving flag" video is taken while the astronauts are planting the flag.

104 posted on 11/23/2002 6:36:58 PM PST by TomB
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To: Miss Marple
I remember that day. I've got pix of myself and little brother; it was his 4th birthday.

I saw the landing in the afternoon, but had to wait for SIX HOURS - a lifetime for a little kid - to see the astronauts climb out of the capsule and into history.
105 posted on 11/23/2002 6:37:52 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: poindexters brother
But they landed and planted the flag on the "dark side of the moon", which can never be seen see from the earth, because the same side always faces us in its orbit, modern telescopes notwithstanding, as I understand.
106 posted on 11/23/2002 6:38:08 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: timestax
= CRACK POT

This hint is brought to you by the makers of Pictionary, a fun game for the whole family.

107 posted on 11/23/2002 6:38:45 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: petuniasevan
First I borrowed the use of the lost-wax jewelry casting room's equipment.

NOBODY JUST "borrows" a lost-wax jewelry casting rooms equiptment and "whips up" somthing. It's a time consuming job for an experienced jewlery worker. As I was in the jewlery business, and seen first hand the process you are talking about, I can't understand why you wouild make up such a fib. In short I don't but your "story". Ok

108 posted on 11/23/2002 6:39:56 PM PST by timestax
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To: MadIvan
Don't you know that the telescope will be faked too? It's all a government conspiracy.
109 posted on 11/23/2002 6:40:24 PM PST by Contra
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To: Concentrate
Apollo 11 landed at the "Sea of Tranquillity".

To you that's the left eye of the "Man in the Moon".

Very much a "near side" location.
110 posted on 11/23/2002 6:42:22 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: DugwayDuke
It was a great movie. OJ Simpson (well, his character, anyway) died in it.
111 posted on 11/23/2002 6:42:41 PM PST by PackerBoy
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To: timestax
"I have never heard a viable explanation on how that one flag on the moon was blowing around like a flag being blown by a very stiff wind, as there is NO wind on moon, it's a vacuum, right?!"

Right. It's a vacuum. They had a television camera on it when they put that little flag up. It was on a metal pole about 5 or 6 feet high and it had a cross-bar across the top for the flag to hang on. It wiggled when they bumped it, but it never fluttered.

The clincher was the little pendulum they hung so we could see the slower period that it swung on in the one-sixth gravity enviornment.

112 posted on 11/23/2002 6:42:46 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Shooter 2.5
Actually the first words spoken from the moon were something like "Engines off".

The next words were "Houston, the Eagle has landed".
113 posted on 11/23/2002 6:43:02 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: MadIvan

114 posted on 11/23/2002 6:43:23 PM PST by vikingchick
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To: petuniasevan
Sure, could have been charges dust. I don't have an answer,
I just know it looked really strange and I have never seen
those pics published anywhere.

Have seen some nice books of NASA photos available from
the Government book stores, seems like I remember you
could order a set of giant 12" CDs that contained just about
every pic from the moon flights. (This was about 15 years ago. Now they probably fit on a standard disk.)
115 posted on 11/23/2002 6:46:44 PM PST by tet68
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To: Concentrate
Astronauts never landed on the dark side of the moon.

We wouldn't have been able to communicate with them and they would have been able to shot all those great shots of the Earth seen from the moon.

116 posted on 11/23/2002 6:46:55 PM PST by chaosagent
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To: Dog Gone
See, Tom Daschle was already there/
117 posted on 11/23/2002 6:47:23 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: timestax
I was a student in that class in 1979 and 1980.

We had a bell jar on a vacuum pump (pulley belt driven).

Grinding and polishing wheels.

All kinds of wax sticks and strips.

Numerous metal sleeves and rubber bases for setting up plaster-of-paris molds.

A kiln, plus tongs and welders' gloves.

Also we used an 55-gallon drum and crucible setup as a centrifuge for moving the molten metal into the mold.

I still HAVE lost wax cast jewelry I made, mostly brass, some silver (cost was high then for precious metals).

Don't accuse me of fibbing.

I was there. Pleasant Valley Senior High of Chico California. You go right ahead and research this.
118 posted on 11/23/2002 6:48:29 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: Dog Gone

119 posted on 11/23/2002 6:51:49 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: timestax
I have never heard a viable explanation on how that one flag on the moon was blowing around like a flag being blown by a very stiff wind, as there is NO wind on moon, it's a vacuum, right?!

When have you ever seen it "blowing around" without somebody handling it or when the ascent stage takes off?

The staff was an inverted "L" with the top of the flag reefed out on the "L" portion. Thus it sticks straight out.

120 posted on 11/23/2002 6:51:57 PM PST by hattend
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