Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

AP | 11/22/02

[Davea]

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

By RICHARD BENKE | The Associated Press 11/22/2002

ALBUQUERQUE - While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary.

A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."

With the textual study plus University of New Mexico archaeological findings from one of three alleged UFO crash sites, science fiction seeks to close the gap with fact, producers say.

A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash.

It was one of a series of inconsistent military reports about the incident, which has become part of American mythology.

"Unless national security is at stake, there is absolutely no reason to keep this information from the public," said Thomas Vitale, a Sci-Fi Channel vice president. "Whatever crashed at Roswell, let us know what the truth is."

The Air Force had responded to a 1994 call from the late U.S. Rep. Steve Schiff, R-N.M., by saying it had no information on the Roswell Incident. Schiff, an Air Force reserve judge advocate general's officer, then took his query to the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.

Sci-Fi, guided by longtime Roswell UFO researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, commissioned William Doleman, an archaeologist with UNM's Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, to excavate the alleged initial crash contact point on the ranch where the late Mack Brazel worked as foreman.

Doleman said he knows little about the Roswell Incident but agreed to excavate the site using purely scientific methods because it is "culturally significant" and because so much of what is circulated about the Roswell crash landing is based on hearsay. What was needed, Doleman said, was physical evidence.

"So this project is a very bold step by people who claim to know what happened and where it happened," Doleman said. "What makes it bold is they were willing to go out there and look for physical evidence."

Details of the excavation are being kept confidential until after today's premiere. But Doleman said he agrees "that obviously something happened in July 1947 in southeastern New Mexico." After his work there, though, he said, "I'm still uncertain" about UFOs and alien beings.

The documentary will introduce some witnesses who have not been heard from publicly before, attesting to the existence of alien bodies in the wreckage of the "flying disc," Carey said by phone from his home in Pennsylvania.

"This is where we loaded the bodies," he quotes one New Mexico witness, Robert Slusher, as saying. Slusher, among those appearing in the documentary, was part of a B-29 crew that he said loaded bodies up through the plane's bomb bay at the Roswell Army Airfield.

Three victims were supposedly recovered from the final crash site, and a team of archaeologists, coincidentally, were in the area doing research on ancient Indians at the time, Carey said. Among them was Curry Holden, an archaeologist from Texas Tech in Lubbock, whom Carey located in 1992.

"Curry Holden said he saw everything - the craft and the bodies," Carey said. Holden died a few months later.

Carey, an investigator for a private corporation, said he started looking into Roswell 12 years ago "as a hobby."

But it became more than that. And now, he said, he and Schmitt are in a race against time, as witnesses become scarcer.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2002

[ozzymandus]

"Methinks" we both have our own biases. Mine, however, does not run towards little green men. I don't need caulking in my ears, I have a hearing loss from tractors, gunfire, and rock 'n roll, but I can still distinguish BS when I hear it.
Your last sentence bears remembering.

[mikegi]

Not for my brother who worked around the ET craft routinely. There's something about routinely seeing them in your daily job for years that takes care of that issue.

Well, why doesn't your "brother" simply take a piece of these craft he worked around and walk into the Physics department of CalTech so we all can have a look? How about a schematic or photo???

Yours truly, Lord Kinbote

[mdmathis6]

"Is that you, Mikey? Now hand over that head..."(K from MIB)

[Quix]

Given the numbers of relatives and first hand reports of the materials from the crash, the Indian ceramics technologies hypothesis is way off base from the data available--available from multiple, solid, reliable, salt-of-the earth people.

Actually, from where I sit--that hypothesis is one of the most far fetched I've ever ran into. I've never heard it before.

[Quix]

No, I don't think it has anything to do with the number of angels on a pin.

However, given some of the multi-dimensional aspects of some ET races; and the other dimensional aspects of some of their "transportation" modes--that discussion about pin heads could have some interesting new versions if one tried very hard.

[Quix]

I hope you examine all the evidence on the Bible Code before you allow your assumptions or biases to be so set in concrete they turn to granite.

The statistics are now quite conclusive. And the level of sophistication has increased enormously over the last 3 years.

[Quix]

For a long time, my hobby of studying UFO's was just that--a hobby. I was exceedingly skeptical for a list of reasons.

My brother's super secret job jangled a number of assumptions. He was not someone I could just dismiss as feeding me a line.

Also, God seemed to "just happen" to have me "bump into" other experts--such as Japan's best UFO expert and others along the way who have been in positions to know bits and pieces of the puzzle.

Over time, I had to adjust my biases to accept the tons of data that persistently seemed to tilt the scales in given directions.

I STILL do not know what is per se fact and what is per se disinformation. But it seems inescapable to me at this point that there are multiple races of ET's observing and dinking around with earth.

That's plausible given that the Bible says "ALL CREATION GROANS--expectantly awaiting the manifestation, the revealing of the sons of God." Whatever that means. It at least seems to mean that all creation has an interest in what goes on here on earth with the rearing and training of those who will RULE AND REIGN with Christ over evidently countless galaxies, dimensions, realities.

There's a lot that's plausible given the coming world government and a ton of related ET/UFO data.

So, in a lot of ways, I've been drug kicking and screaming into accepting a lot of uncomfortable ET, UFO data.

I didn't like what my brother had to tell me. But I could not just dismiss it. The context of the relationship and trustworthiness etc. would not allow that as a convenient out.

What would you have done with a brother like that telling you such TRUE IN HIS LIFE EXPERIENCE stories?

[Quix]

Do you really think that would be such an easy thing to do in such a situation???

The Supreme Court says this body of data is the MOST SENSITIVE, MOST IMPORTANT DATA WE HAVE DESERVING THE HIGHEST CLASSIFICATION.

The security TENDS to be extreme.

My brother basically valued his job and his life at that point. He's pulled some interesting stunts in his time but he's not that dumb.

[MHGinTN]

Is the U.S. the only nation who has these craft from which to try reverse engineering? What about the old Soviet Union? If there are other nations in possession of these craft, why has there been no propulsion application of the technology? No radical metallurgic applications? No baiting of each other, to ratchet up the credibility factors between competing nations?

[F16Fighter]

"At this point, it appears that 95+% of the ET's are involved in a heavy duty deception--perhaps the deception spoken of in The Bible for our era--the GREAT DECEPTION. Their deception as is common for much of satan's tricks--appears to mix a fair amount of truths and half truths with out-right falsehood."

To be honest, THIS explanation for any so-called "ET activity" does bear some cause for closer examination. For that matter, so does the plethora of Marian "apparitions" suddenly popping up everywhere in the world...

Material science is totally out of the loop when it comes to "proving" or "disproving" the powers of the spiritual world.

[The Wizard]

I was very impressed with the memo bit....that was good....very good...

[MHGinTN]

I've wondered on occasion if the abduction phenomenon might be an 'all in the mind' sort of thing, caused by 'other worldly' beings or even actual ET's. I can imagine a technological society so advanced that they could formulate a 'wave pattern' of some as yet unknown energy phenomenon which would interact ONLY with the human mental state, even to the extent that physical manifestations of 'evidence' could arise ont he bodies of the human victims. Non-alive harvesters from the ET civilization would be parked here in the neighborhood (maybe the Moon) to gather the interactive data and transmit it back to wherever and alter the 'signal' output sent to the human subjects. It could get around the relativity snags involved in travelling such vast distances between stars.

[Quix]

It's not clear how much Russia and China have. The ET's seem to have shown a marked preference for working with the secret government behind the U.S. government or the U.S. government--depending on how you want to define such things.

Of course, many would say that the secret government is in control of all the world's governments already. Some would say they have been for at least 100 years.

And China and Russia have evidently been eager to buy or steal such advances from us any time they could. Los Alamos is a hotbed of such research--supposedly 75% or more of Los Alamos being deep underground.

Then there's all that stuff of the Dracos et al supposedly up at Dulce north of Los Alamos.

God and few others know the real truth about the issues you raise. But it does APPEAR that the U.S. has the vast bulk of the technological advances in this field. We are supposedly years ahead of Russia and China on such matters. But of course, that was before Dilldo sold them all he could get away with. Thankfully, this stuff is supposedly way above his security clearance.

Even the show tonight said that Bush Sr as head of the CIA refused Jimmy Carter's request for a full UFO briefing.

[tpaine]

It is a well known fact that Admiral Harrowup had a great deal to do with redacting sensitive info from the Roswell era.

If you can find him, Mojo can testify to this truth, through his well documented NSA experience. Of course, Mojo doesn't post here, or anywhere, anymore.

[MHGinTN]

Then there's all that stuff of the Dracos et al supposedly up at Dulce north of Los Alamos. Ya lost me with that one, Quix. Explain?

[Quix]

Virtually all the evangelical Christian authors who write books about UFO's insist that ALL the ET's are only and totally demons--including the craft--that the craft are materializations of demons totally and only.

I don't believe that fits all the data at all. I could allow that many, even most of the ET's are IN CAHOOTS with satan and demons. I could even allow that SOME craft MIGHT be materializations of demons. There are plenty of reports that some craft seem to be grown; some seem to be alive etc. But all of them. No way. I don't buy it.

It is interesting that when folk take the Name and Blood of Jesus immediately on sensing an abduction beginning--and assert angrily, forcefully that the ET's are not allowed to do so based on Christ's Name and Blood--the abduction stops. And they leave that person alone evidently forever more. Others say just being immediately angry and telling them to go to blazes works equally well.

But one has to evidently immediately have one's wits about him before they paralyze him and exert some sort of mind control.

I agree about awareness about The Spirit and spiritual dimensions/powers/entities.

[185JHP]

A government disinfo/psyop? A clumsy, flawed "coverup" designed to cause speculation that "something happened!"? Shaved, surgically altered chimps prepared in a governmrnt lab, then sacrificed for a greater good? The truth is - somewhere.

[Quix]

I probably won't stop to try and ferret either of them out.

But if you would--I'd be thrilled to read any of their comments.

Blessings,

[Quix]

That would not explain "scoop marks" and other body marks that occurred in the night of the abudction.

That would not explain the implants--a growing number of which have been extracted and analyzed as unlike anything we know how to do/make/insert.