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Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says
AP | 11/22/02

Posted on 11/22/2002 8:42:49 PM PST by Davea

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

By RICHARD BENKE | The Associated Press 11/22/2002

ALBUQUERQUE - While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary.

A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."

With the textual study plus University of New Mexico archaeological findings from one of three alleged UFO crash sites, science fiction seeks to close the gap with fact, producers say.

A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash.

It was one of a series of inconsistent military reports about the incident, which has become part of American mythology.

"Unless national security is at stake, there is absolutely no reason to keep this information from the public," said Thomas Vitale, a Sci-Fi Channel vice president. "Whatever crashed at Roswell, let us know what the truth is."

The Air Force had responded to a 1994 call from the late U.S. Rep. Steve Schiff, R-N.M., by saying it had no information on the Roswell Incident. Schiff, an Air Force reserve judge advocate general's officer, then took his query to the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.

Sci-Fi, guided by longtime Roswell UFO researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, commissioned William Doleman, an archaeologist with UNM's Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, to excavate the alleged initial crash contact point on the ranch where the late Mack Brazel worked as foreman.

Doleman said he knows little about the Roswell Incident but agreed to excavate the site using purely scientific methods because it is "culturally significant" and because so much of what is circulated about the Roswell crash landing is based on hearsay. What was needed, Doleman said, was physical evidence.

"So this project is a very bold step by people who claim to know what happened and where it happened," Doleman said. "What makes it bold is they were willing to go out there and look for physical evidence."

Details of the excavation are being kept confidential until after today's premiere. But Doleman said he agrees "that obviously something happened in July 1947 in southeastern New Mexico." After his work there, though, he said, "I'm still uncertain" about UFOs and alien beings.

The documentary will introduce some witnesses who have not been heard from publicly before, attesting to the existence of alien bodies in the wreckage of the "flying disc," Carey said by phone from his home in Pennsylvania.

"This is where we loaded the bodies," he quotes one New Mexico witness, Robert Slusher, as saying. Slusher, among those appearing in the documentary, was part of a B-29 crew that he said loaded bodies up through the plane's bomb bay at the Roswell Army Airfield.

Three victims were supposedly recovered from the final crash site, and a team of archaeologists, coincidentally, were in the area doing research on ancient Indians at the time, Carey said. Among them was Curry Holden, an archaeologist from Texas Tech in Lubbock, whom Carey located in 1992.

"Curry Holden said he saw everything - the craft and the bodies," Carey said. Holden died a few months later.

Carey, an investigator for a private corporation, said he started looking into Roswell 12 years ago "as a hobby."

But it became more than that. And now, he said, he and Schmitt are in a race against time, as witnesses become scarcer.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2002


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KEYWORDS: littlegreenies; roswell
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To: mdmathis6
Not to mention sleeper cells, that may already have plans and equipment. But I think that if people in places like Saudi Arabia, etc., didn't support them, combined with worldwide effort to end them, they could stop existing fairly soon.
401 posted on 12/18/2002 6:30:55 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
My new battle cry: THE KAABA STONE MUST BE DESTROYED!
402 posted on 12/18/2002 6:33:21 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
Not sure what the kaaba stone is, but I bet you're right about destroying the thing.
403 posted on 12/18/2002 6:34:47 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree
The kaaba is the black stone in Mecca where Isalmics do their circling and praying. The building in which the stone is housed is also referred to as the Kaaba, if memory serves.
404 posted on 12/18/2002 6:44:44 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: MHGinTN
It's the stone I'm referring to, okay let's get rid of the little tent around it as well.
405 posted on 12/18/2002 6:54:08 PM PST by mdmathis6
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To: mdmathis6
it's suddenly tempting
406 posted on 12/18/2002 7:02:34 PM PST by Sam Cree
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To: crystalk
Virtual every buzzword buzzing in our ears since 1947 has buzzed directly from ET sources, to our media and Hollywood and education systems.

I guess this explains where liberalism comes from. We're DOOMED!

407 posted on 12/18/2002 7:17:29 PM PST by slimer
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To: Sam Cree
I think the black stone would be much nicer as sand . . . black sand scattered widely to the 4 winds.

BTW, There is a good article by Whitley Strieber on TAKEN at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/799625/posts?page=360

Blessings this Season and New Year.

408 posted on 12/21/2002 8:02:37 PM PST by Quix
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To: Quix

bump for later


409 posted on 06/23/2024 8:40:20 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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