How We Got Fluoridated

Stop Fluoridation USA ^ | Unknown | Philip Heggen

[FormerLurker]

How We Got Fluoridated by Philip Heggen Preface Throughout the world, and from the beginning, virtually all living creatures have been exposed to fluoride. It's nothing new. Fluoride is one of the most abundant elements in the earth's crust - cumulative and toxic to all forms of life at remarkably low dosage. Sixty years ago U.S. dental researchers had identified areas in sixteen states where disfiguring mottled enamel was a serious problem. Thirty years ago, the World Health Organization had noted that high concentrations of fluoride are found in areas of every continent and that dental fluorosis is a problem from Finland to South Africa and from England to Japan. But fluoride affects more than just developing teeth. Even dinosaurs have ingested water and vegetation contaminated by fluoride from volcanic gases and ash - and suffered the consequence in terms of painful arthritic effects. Industrial mining and manufacturing, like mini-volcanoes, bring up fluorides from the earth into the biosphere, with similar effects on human communities. In the past century or so, man has spawned these "mini-volcanoes" without fully understanding the consequences. Modern well-drilling equipment has provided much needed water from deep within the earth - and this, too, has resulted in fluoride poisoning. Fluoridation has not been a conspiracy in the usual sense of the word ... but rather, a colossal blunder. "The problem is enormous, unbelievable," says Andezhath Susheela of the Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation in Delhi, India. She has been unraveling the national story for a decade during which time her estimate of the number of people leading "a painful and crippled life" from fluorosis has risen from one million to 25 million and now to 60 million - six million of them children - spread across tens of thousands of communities. "In some villages three-quarters of the population are seriously affected." This paper is a chronicle and overview spanning the history of modern industry. It shows the rise of fluoride pollution and how economic motives have overridden concerns for human health. We take you back to the early metal refinery pollution in Europe and show the record of lawsuits for fluoride damage. This reveals the basis for American industry's fear of being shut down by lawsuits. We also document the steps taken by industry to divert public attention away from fluoride air pollution. This chronicle shows that the origin of water fluoridation is in these fluoride fears of industry -- not in concern for children's teeth. During the 1940s, the development of the atom bomb required handling huge amounts of fluoride in the production of nuclear weapons. Documented here is a major safety study by the Atomic Energy Commission. As a result of this extensive study, the federal government became involved in the suppression of information about fluoride poisoning. Formerly restricted government documents now made available under the Freedom of Information Act have filled in blank spaces in this chronology. Thus, both big government and big industry, for different reasons, became involved in the cover up. The succeeding collaboration of industry and government is documented below in detail. The difficulties in maintaining a deception over an extended time are sizable. This is especially true with an ongoing issue like fluoridation. A compounding of dishonest statements and actions is required to maintain the original deception. At a certain point, the truth of the situation becomes obvious. These consequences are now coming to bear on the defenders of fluoridation. The Epilogue deals with this coming confrontation. Introduction

[TomB]

Remind anyone here of anyone else?

So how good is the gila monster at cut-and-paste?

[discostu]

They're pretty big (about forearm sized), I'd guess they should be able to handle a keyboard pretty well. gota pretty big brainpan for a lizard too... for a lizard.

[sweetliberty]

Funny, I lived in Colorado for years and the relatively low incidence of tooth decay there was always attributed to the high levels of flouride in the water.

[TomB]

Funny, I lived in Colorado for years and the relatively low incidence of tooth decay there was always attributed to the high levels of flouride in the water.

SHHHHHHH!!!!!

That's just a conspiracy started by us dentists to, ummmm, well, er.......

.....actually, we never got around to why we started this conspiracy. I know that people having less decay will make us more money, I'm just not sure how.

[discostu]

It means you get to have lots of people come in for annual visits on not do anything. Lowers cost of raw materials and labor while maintaining a steady revenue.

Something like that.

[wimpycat]

And the fact that we all benefit by having healthier teeth and gums, fresher breath, less risk of germs from a rotten mouth entering the blood stream and infecting the heart, less misery and lost work time from abcesses, gum surgery, root canals, etc., less need for dentures, and less money out of our pockets for such procedures has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. If someone else benefits, then it's a conspiracy.

[TomB]

And the fact that we all benefit by having healthier teeth and gums, fresher breath, less risk of germs from a rotten mouth entering the blood stream and infecting the heart, less misery and lost work time from abcesses, gum surgery, root canals, etc., less need for dentures, and less money out of our pockets for such procedures

I don't know people, it looks like I'm getting the short end of the stick here.

[wimpycat]

You are. At $74 bucks for a regular bi-annual exam, the likes of you only get roughly $150 a year from the likes of me.

On the other hand, my husband, who had not been to a dentist in years, went to a dentist a couple of years ago, and the dentist wouldn't touch him unless he went to his M.D. to make sure he didn't have heart problems. He had to have his mouth deadened just to clean his teeth, and they couldn't do it all at once; it took 2 or 3 separate visits. After that was done, he ended up having gum surgery, somewhere to the tune of $3000 worth...

Maybe it's the regular dentists joined up to put those cocky periodontists and oral surgeons out of business. Yeah, that's it...We're on to you now.

[FormerLurker]

It's amazing how much snivleing you have to go through in order to cover up your stupid, infantile mistake.

Listen bud, you've outright LIED and never retracted your baldfaced lies. I've been wrong in relation to my OWN VIEW of trivial items, which I've immediately admitted and then corrected. You have YET to retract ANY of your lies and junk science. Period.

When are you going to realize your "sources" are feeding you a line of crap?

Again Tommy boy, your sources ARE crap, and you have yet to provide ANY evidence that fluoride is safe. You only parrot the myth that fluoride is somehow "good" for you, where in fact it is more toxic than lead.

You keep flailing about with these spam posts, hoping to throw enough crap against the wall that SOMETHING will stick.

To you and your cohorts, facts and scientic studies are spam, and your inane blather and junk science are great posts...

If you go back and read my post, my point was that, in sufficient quantities both sodium and chloride are toxic, yet soduim chloride is not.

Wrong. You insisted that sodium chloride dissolves in a glass of water. You WERE in fact correct, upto the point where the solution reaches saturation. I've had to reiterate basic chemistry with you at least 5 or 6 times between this thread and others, yet you continue to act dumb in relation to basic topics (the same ones as a matter of fact). You just might be that dense, but you should admit to it at least. Obviously, a solution of sodium chloride will contain SODIUM AND CHLORIDE IONS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE VITAL TO HUMAN VITAL CELLUAR FUNCTIONS. I shouldn't have to repost the same facts and links in order to counter your lies every other day of the week. Your tactics are QUITE noticable to anyone reading this or the other thread...

You have more than ably proven that you've just swallowed the Luddites and environmental wackos line on this one, and you don't really understand everything you are cutting and pasting.

Hey pal, you're the one with a poor understanding of high school chemistry, not me. You have no clue as to how to determine molecular weight, nor do you even understand the most basic of concepts in relation to chemistry. In fact, you don't even know what a free radical is (although you might once you look it up). Dentists DO study about free radicals, so your claim of being a dentist is dubious at best..

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Why don't you post this crap on some other website where you'll find a more receptive (and gullible) audience?

Why don't you go eat a tube of your 5000 ppm toothpaste? You are obviously a quack, and don't know the first thing about dentistry. Even with considerable evidence as to the health hazards posed by fluoride, you continue to OUTRIGHT LIE and repeat falsehoods, which at first may have been seen as innocent ignorance, but upon repeated use of said falsehoods can be seen as nothing less than a overt campaign of lies and junk science.

It is part of the basis of toxicology "the dose makes the poison". Howver, you've proven that concept, like so many others, is way beyond your grasp.

And you, like so many others, fail to mention the cumulative effects of a toxin, such as gradual brain damage caused by mercury ingestion over time. You also fail to acknowledge that fluoride treatments contain a fatal "dose" of fluoride in relation to small children.

Yeah, the dose makes the poison. A teaspoon full of sodium fluoride WILL kill ANY adult if ingested. How much of your deadly table salt would it take I wonder....

[FormerLurker]

Funny, I lived in Colorado for years and the relatively low incidence of tooth decay there was always attributed to the high levels of flouride in the water.

Like this you mean?

From Fluoridation 101

At the turn of the last century, many residents of the Southwest US had unusually ugly teeth. They called it "Colorado Brown Stain." Dental researchers sought to discover the source of this disfiguring tooth malformation. The culprit was high levels of fluoride in the water. Since these ugly teeth resisted decay, well-meaning but misguided dentists assumed the fluoride also caused the teeth to resist decay. However, what they overlooked is significant. The water supply was also very high in calcium and magnesium, essential nutrients we now know makes teeth strong.

[FormerLurker]

So how good is the gila monster at cut-and-paste?

You should know all about smamming with cut and paste operations Tommy boy, as you cut and pasted the entire fraudulent list of so-called "pro-fluoridation studies" from the ADA website.

You have nothing much else to post either in the way of links or in factual articles, since the only TRUE facts concerning this topic demonstrate how outrageously stupid it is to promote the ingestion of fluoride.

[FormerLurker]

I see you've called up many of the known FR shills...

Getting desperate Tom?

[FormerLurker]

The ORL-RAT LD50 for Calcium Fluoride is 4250 mg/kg, while the ORL-RAT LD50 for Sodium Chloride is 3000 mg/kg.

Are those from the same "safety cards" that state that calcium fluoride DOESN'T dissolve in water? Oh, BTW, I noticed that you didn't give any info on SODIUM FLUORIDE, where WE SAW that at MOST a 3.7 mg/kg ingestion of sodium fluoride RESULTED IN DEATH. The accepted toxic dose for fluoride ingestion is 5-10 mg/kg.

Excerpt from Toxicity, Fluoride

Now are you going to call medical information "spam" Tommy?

[TomB]

You know, seeing as how you've been forced to retract some eggregious errors on these threads, I'd be real careful tossing out the "You just might be that dense" accusations. You're rapidly becoming a joke.

Again Tommy boy, your sources ARE crap, and you have yet to provide ANY evidence that fluoride is safe.

How about this,a HUNDRED MILLION people in this country drink it EVERY DAY and suffer no demonstrable ill effects.

Although, if you want to get snippy about it, you have yet to show us any epidemological studies that fluoride at recommended levels is dangerous.

Obviously, a solution of sodium chloride will contain SODIUM AND CHLORIDE IONS, BOTH OF WHICH ARE VITAL TO HUMAN VITAL CELLUAR FUNCTIONS.

Yea, so? Does that fact make them any less toxic in greater concentrations?

If someone suffers a poisoning of one of those can I go up to the person and say, "you'll be OK, that's a vital nutirent!".

Dentists DO study about free radicals, so your claim of being a dentist is dubious at best..

I don't remember discussing free radicals, but with all the garbage you excrete on these thread, I could have missed it.

Anyway, my offer stands. I'll put up 10 grand if you do to and we'll check out my credentials. Come on , put up or shut up.

[TomB]

Now are you going to call medical information "spam" Tommy?

I've never seen somebody have a nervous breakdown on the internet before. Interesting.

Anyway, this is what you whined:

Again, FLUORIDES of any type are toxic, and the less one consumes of fluorides in general, the better.

I proved that calcium fluoride is actually LESS TOXIC than table salt! Thereby proving yet ANOTHER lie on your part.

Try again?

[TomB]

Getting desperate Tom?

Nope, just making sure everybody gets to watch your snit.

Like I said, schadenfreude.

[FormerLurker]

The ORL-RAT LD50 for Calcium Fluoride is 4250 mg/kg, while the ORL-RAT LD50 for Sodium Chloride is 3000 mg/kg.

Oh, and concerning CHLORATES AND CHLORIDES..

From SODIUM CHLORATE, NaClO₃

LD50 (oral, rat) = 1200 mg/kg
LDLO (oral, human) = 214 mg/kg

Safety data for sodium chlorite

[TomB]

Hey sparky, you can post information on every compound known to mankind, and it won't change the fact you lied when you made this statement:

"Again, FLUORIDES of any type are toxic, and the less one consumes of fluorides in general, the better.

Keep tossing that spam sparky.

[FormerLurker]

You know, seeing as how you've been forced to retract some eggregious errors on these threads, I'd be real careful tossing out the "You just might be that dense" accusations.

So Tom, you claim that ALL calcium fluoride dissolves in water, yet your cohort aruanan claims that NONE of it does. In realitiy calcium fluoride dissolves to 17 ppm at 20 C. Now why haven't either YOU OR ARUANAN admitted to being wrong? Or do you BOTH still proclaim yourselves to be telling the truth? How pathetic..

You're rapidly becoming a joke.

Sorry Tom, but the jokes on you..

How about this,a HUNDRED MILLION people in this country drink it EVERY DAY and suffer no demonstrable ill effects.

That's been proven to be false Tom. And you know it...

Although, if you want to get snippy about it, you have yet to show us any epidemological studies that fluoride at recommended levels is dangerous.

Go back to the post which lists all the studies that the EPA scientist referred to in his testimony to Congress that fluoride is unsafe...

I don't remember discussing free radicals, but with all the garbage you excrete on these thread, I could have missed it.

In the Lewis diagram I posted, I gave a diagram for nitrogen dioxide. I asked what was peculiar in relation to its bonds. The answer IS that it has an electron imbalance, causing it to be known as a FREE RADICAL....

[FormerLurker]

"Again, FLUORIDES of any type are toxic, and the less one consumes of fluorides in general, the better.

Due to its CUMULATIVE effect, that statement IS true, no matter how much you stomp your feet, launch spittle at the monitor, and foam at the mouth...