How We Got Fluoridated

Stop Fluoridation USA ^ | Unknown | Philip Heggen

[FormerLurker]

How We Got Fluoridated by Philip Heggen Preface Throughout the world, and from the beginning, virtually all living creatures have been exposed to fluoride. It's nothing new. Fluoride is one of the most abundant elements in the earth's crust - cumulative and toxic to all forms of life at remarkably low dosage. Sixty years ago U.S. dental researchers had identified areas in sixteen states where disfiguring mottled enamel was a serious problem. Thirty years ago, the World Health Organization had noted that high concentrations of fluoride are found in areas of every continent and that dental fluorosis is a problem from Finland to South Africa and from England to Japan. But fluoride affects more than just developing teeth. Even dinosaurs have ingested water and vegetation contaminated by fluoride from volcanic gases and ash - and suffered the consequence in terms of painful arthritic effects. Industrial mining and manufacturing, like mini-volcanoes, bring up fluorides from the earth into the biosphere, with similar effects on human communities. In the past century or so, man has spawned these "mini-volcanoes" without fully understanding the consequences. Modern well-drilling equipment has provided much needed water from deep within the earth - and this, too, has resulted in fluoride poisoning. Fluoridation has not been a conspiracy in the usual sense of the word ... but rather, a colossal blunder. "The problem is enormous, unbelievable," says Andezhath Susheela of the Fluorosis Research and Rural Development Foundation in Delhi, India. She has been unraveling the national story for a decade during which time her estimate of the number of people leading "a painful and crippled life" from fluorosis has risen from one million to 25 million and now to 60 million - six million of them children - spread across tens of thousands of communities. "In some villages three-quarters of the population are seriously affected." This paper is a chronicle and overview spanning the history of modern industry. It shows the rise of fluoride pollution and how economic motives have overridden concerns for human health. We take you back to the early metal refinery pollution in Europe and show the record of lawsuits for fluoride damage. This reveals the basis for American industry's fear of being shut down by lawsuits. We also document the steps taken by industry to divert public attention away from fluoride air pollution. This chronicle shows that the origin of water fluoridation is in these fluoride fears of industry -- not in concern for children's teeth. During the 1940s, the development of the atom bomb required handling huge amounts of fluoride in the production of nuclear weapons. Documented here is a major safety study by the Atomic Energy Commission. As a result of this extensive study, the federal government became involved in the suppression of information about fluoride poisoning. Formerly restricted government documents now made available under the Freedom of Information Act have filled in blank spaces in this chronology. Thus, both big government and big industry, for different reasons, became involved in the cover up. The succeeding collaboration of industry and government is documented below in detail. The difficulties in maintaining a deception over an extended time are sizable. This is especially true with an ongoing issue like fluoridation. A compounding of dishonest statements and actions is required to maintain the original deception. At a certain point, the truth of the situation becomes obvious. These consequences are now coming to bear on the defenders of fluoridation. The Epilogue deals with this coming confrontation. Introduction

[TomB]

You obviously can't count too well Tom. Take a good look at post 43 and tell me that there's only a few dozen names there..

Yes, more than a few dozen, but you said that you've "demonstrated that MOST eminent scientists agree that fluoridation is insane and needs to be halted". How did you do that? I can say that over 95% of dentists support fluoride, so already you're behind.

More than likely those you work for ARE...

I work for myself, in private practice. Now tell me, since you've just accused me of unethical behavior, how am I making money off fluoride? You've accused me of something pretty terrible here, so be specific.

Try reading the main article. Click on this link to proceed to the Introduction...

No, you are the king of cut-and-paste, you show me.

[FormerLurker]

Listen Tom. You act purposely dense when subjects we've already discussed are referred to. You fail to acknowledge any evidence that clearly demonstrates a relation to fluoride and health problems. It's sort of like the people who thought Galieo a heretic when he told them the Earth revolved around the Sun and was not the center of the Universe. Although clear evidence is presented, you continue to cling to your unfounded beliefs that there is nothing wrong with encouraging people to poison themselves. Not only that, but you continue to insist that forced ingestion of a poison is a good thing for the People of this County. If you really cared about this Nation, you'd take the time to educate yourself as to the facts of this problem, and you wouldn't get so flippant about clicking on a link that I provided for you.

You have spent untold days and hours go backing and forth on this issue. My only purpose in doing so is that I want my Country to thrive and succeed, to have healthy intelligent people who will make the right decisions in the future. I'm trying to give this Nation a chance to succeed.

Your agenda on the other hand appears to be to discredit any and all evidence pointing towards the fact that there is a significant problem with current policy and practices. The body of evidence pointing towards the true nature of this hazardous waste (it IS hazardous waste in many cases) indicates the obvious, that poison is in fact toxic and causes a wide range of health problems, and HAS resulted in various deaths under COMMON dental AND medical procedures, in addition to those that occured by simply drinking water due to accidental fluoride discharges caused by faulty equipment.

I don't know if you really are a dentist, or are simply playing one here on FR. I do know that I wouldn't want you for MY dentist. You do a disservice to those who ARE concerned about their patients, and to totally ignore the body of scientfic evidence that indicates the potential for injury is simply not good medicine.

[TomB]

Listen Tom. You act purposely dense when subjects we've already discussed are referred to.

That's BS and you know it. I asked for epidemological evidence that proves fluoride at normal levels is dangerous. You have been unable to find any. I'm not talking lab studies, I'm talking about looking at people who are right now ingesting fluoride and have nothing wrong with them.

Although clear evidence is presented, you continue to cling to your unfounded beliefs that there is nothing wrong with encouraging people to poison themselves.

CLEAR EVIDENCE? I asked you over and over for studies showing that there are increased levels of disease in communities that have fluoridated water, and you can only find one. On the other thread I posted 280 studies showing fluoride is both safe and effective.

Now, once again. Do you have any studies, or don't you?

And you are evading my request that you back up your slander that I'm keeping quiet about the dangers of fluoride in order to make money.

[FormerLurker]

You have evaded any evidence that I HAVE presented. Go back to post 1 and work your way back to here. You'll find substantial evidence as to where the problems lie.

As far as to whom I choose to believe, I'd believe these people before I believe a person on FR going by the name TomB who claims to be a dentist..

 
"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable."
Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association.

"fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has. "
Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D. (Microbiology), Co-Discoverer of streptomycin

[aruanan]

Zero solubility at 20C? Hmmm. You're telling me that its solubility DECREASES with an increase in temperature?

International Chemical Safety Cards

CALCIUM FLUORIDE

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PHYSICAL STATE; APPEARANCE: COLOURLESS CRYSTALS WHITE HYGROSCOPIC POWDER PHYSICAL DANGERS: CHEMICAL DANGERS: On combustion, forms toxic fumes of fluoride. Reacts with acids to produce OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE LIMITS: TLV (fluorides as F): 2.5 mg/m3 A4 (as TWA) (ACGIH 1998). MAK as F: ppm; 2.5 mg/m3; (1998)

ROUTES OF EXPOSURE: The substance can be absorbed into the body by inhalation of its aerosol and by ingestion. INHALATION RISK: Evaporation at 20°C is negligible; a harmful concentration of airborne particles can, however, be reached quickly on spraying. EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE: EFFECTS OF LONG-TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE:

PHYSICAL
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Boiling point: 2500°C Melting point: 1403°C Density: 3.2 g/cm3

Solubility in water: none at 20 °C

ENVIRONMENTAL DATA

It was Tom that started calling naturally occuring calcium fluoride "natural fluoride". And you are wrong, as many of the fluorides in use ARE artificial, as they DO NOT exist in nature, thus they are man-made.

As I said before, the fluoride ion is exactly the same whether it's found in fluorspar or some unique chemical compound. You seem to have a knack for ignoring the essential issues and dwelling on the irrelevant attendant circumstances. In virtually every reply, you go off on a tangent or emphasize some minor point or ask something completely irrelevant to the matter at hand such as whether a process is endo- or exothermic or what a certain way of drawing molecular bonds is called or say, "Well, I was talking about this other thing here not that". Wiggle. Squirm. Evade. Spin. Just like Jehovah's Witnesses being confronted with the textual fraud that is their (so-called) translation of the Bible.

[TomB]

Actually, argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to autority is a logical fallacy. Especially since the odds are so stacked up against you:

Linus Pauling pH.d.:

"Over a period of more than a decade I have studied the available information about the fluoridation of drinking water I have reached the conclusion that the presence of fluoride ion in drinking water in concentrations about equal to the average for natural water is beneficial to the health, especially because of the protection that it provides against dental caries, and that there is no evidence for detrimental effects comparable in significance to the beneficial effects. I support the actions of city, state, and national governments in ordering that public supplies of drinking water be brought to this level by the addition of fluoride, in case that the water is deficient in fluoride, and by removal of some of the fluoride if there is an excess of fluoride in the water supply."


Daniel H. Lasser, M.D., MPH

Chair, Department of Family Medicine & Community Health

Randy F. Wertheimer, M.D.

Vice-Chair, Department of Family Medicine & Community Health

The Department of Family Medicine and Community Health, of the University of Massachusetts Medical School, is a community of academic and community physicians, and have a strong interest in improving the public health of our community. For this reason, we strongly support the fluoridation of the Worcester water supply….We do not believe that there is any scientific evidence that supports the view that there is any harm to people with the addition of fluoride to the water supply.


Dr. C. Everett Koop, U.S. Surgeon General 1981-1989:

"Fluoridation is the single most important commitment a community can make to the oral health of its children and to future generations."


Dr. David Satcher, Surgeon General of the United States:

"Community water fluoridation remains one of the great achievements of public health in the Twentieth Century - an inexpensive means of improving oral health that benefits all residents of a community, young and old, rich and poor alike."

Not to mention all the organizations that support fluoridation:

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy of Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association for Dental Research
American Association of Community Dental Programs
American Association of Dental Schools
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians — American Society of Internal Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmaceutical Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society of Clinical Nutrition
American Society of Dentistry for Children
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Veterinary Medical Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
British Dental Association
British Fluoridation Society
British Medical Association
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of American
Delta Dental Plans Association
European Organization for Caries Research
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of Special Care Organizations in Dentistry
-- Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
-- American Association of Hospital Dentists
-- American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
Health Insurance Association of America
Hispanic Dental Association
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
Institute of Medicine
National Academy of Sciences
National Alliance for Oral Health
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Confectioners Association
National Council Against Health Fraud
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Kidney Foundation
National PTA
National Research Council
Society of American Indian Dentists
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
US Department of Defense
US Department of Veterans Affairs
US Public Health Service
Centers for Disease and Prevention (CDC)
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Indian Health Service (IHS)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

[FormerLurker]

I noticed you didn't provide any link to your "source". A little creative editing in your cut and paste operation perhaps?

You see, the solubility of calcium fluoride is listed as 0.0017gm/100gm water at 20°C, which equates to 17 ppm, as;

1000 gm of water = 1 liter or (1 gm = .001 L)

Additionally, 1 ppm solute = (1 mg)solute/ (1 L)water

So we have;

Solubility_g (calcium fluoride @ 20 C) = (0.0017 g CaF₂ / 100 g H₂O) * (1000 g H₂O / 1 L H₂O) = 0.017 g CaF₂ / 1 L H₂0

Solubility_ppm (calcium fluoride @ 20 C) = (0.017 g CaF₂) / 1 L H₂O) * (1000 mg / 1 g) = 17 ppm CaF₂ / 1 L H₂O

The data sheet below proves what I'm saying. And I AM providing a link to it. Perhaps you should provide a link to YOUR datasheet. I highly doubt that it says what you posted, although there is a chance it has a typo..

From Calcium Fluoride (CaF₂) - Data Sheet

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Properties:

Optical Transmission Range (graph below) Refractive Index (table below) Reflection Loss Restrahlen Peak dN/dT	Value 0.13 to 10 microns 1.39908 at 5 microns 5.4% at 5 microns (2 surfaces) 35 microns -10.6 x 10-6/°C
Physical Density Melting Point Thermal Conductivity Thermal Expansion Hardness Specific Heat Capacity Dielectric Constant Young's Modulus (E) Shear Modulus (G) Bulk Modulus (K) Elastic Coefficients Apparent Elastic Limit Poisson Ratio	Value 3.18 gm/cc 1360°C 9.71Wm-1°K-1 18.85 x 10-6/°C Knoop 158.3 (100) 854 J Kgm-1°K-1 6.76 at 1MHz 75.8 GPa 33.77 GPa 82.71 GPa C11 = 164 C12 = 53 C44 = 33.7 36.54 MPa 0.26
Chemical Solubility Molecular Weight Class/Structure	Value 0.0017gm/100gm water at 20°C 78.08 Cubic (111) cleavage

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And from TOXICITY AND SOLUBILITY OF DIFFERENT FLUORIDES we have;

Calcium fluoride	natural	Solubility = 16 ppm at 18ºC and 17 ppm at 26ºC
Sodium Fluoride (used in the USA)	artificial	42,200 ppm at 18ºC
Sodium fluosilicate	artificial	6,520 ppm at 17ºC
Hydrofluorosilic acid (commonly used in UK)	artificial	miscible liquid

[FormerLurker]

As I said before, the fluoride ion is exactly the same whether it's found in fluorspar or some unique chemical compound.

Your absurd insistance that different compounds are the same is beyond reason. Sure, a fluoride ion is a fluoride ion, BUT THE SOLUTION FORMED BY FLUORIDE COMPOUNDS ARE NOT THE SAME.

You are trying to compare apples with oranges, sort of like saying that apples are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons, and so is an orange, so an orange is the same as an apple.

You seem to have a knack for ignoring the essential issues and dwelling on the irrelevant attendant circumstances.

You appear to have a knack for falsifying data, as in the doctored data sheet on calcium fluoride you posted. You also appear to have a knack for being wrong. Your falsely asserted that I was wrong concerning the fact that calcium ions bind to fluoride ions in the body. I PROVED YOU to be wrong, as I provided a emergency medicine Pathophysiology: source, which states that is BECAUSE of that very mechanism that death results, as the neurotransmitters stop firing causing pulmonary paralysis and cadiac arrest..

In virtually every reply, you go off on a tangent or emphasize some minor point or ask something completely irrelevant to the matter at hand

You and your friend simply ignore any facts presented, and obfusuate as much as possible any and all topics discussed. Everytime a fact has been shown to be true, your friend Tom starts talking about hypothetical 1 ppm water and how good it is. No matter how many links or studies I present, he insists I haven't presented any.

And perhaps you have no concept at all as to what is it I am talking about, so to you, everything I say is trivial..

such as whether a process is endo- or exothermic

The reason I asked that question is because if a chemical reaction is ENDOTHERMIC, its solubility INCREASES in relation to temperature. So if calcium fluoride had a solubility of 16 ppm at 18 C, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO DECREASE IN SOLUBILITY IF THE TEMPERATURE INCREASED. As you claimed that the solubility was 0 at 20 C, I knew that was impossible, and thought you were either mistaken, not very highly educated, or simply LYING.

or what a certain way of drawing molecular bonds is called

Tom claims to have minored in chemistry. So I just asked a few questions. He missed the more important one, the one that's not easily looked up on the Internet.

or say, "Well, I was talking about this other thing here not that".

You are pathetic, just like your friend.

Wiggle. Squirm. Evade. Spin. Just like Jehovah's Witnesses being confronted with the textual fraud that is their (so-called) translation of the Bible.

That describes you and TomB to a T. At least you admit your faults...

[FormerLurker]

I'm sure you're info is about as valid as that of your buddy, aruanan.

You two really know how to spin up a storm. Unfortunetly, your buddy got caught falsifying data. I suppose he has to go back to the debunker's school of chemistry and medicine, the same one that a good portion of those on your reference list went to.

[FormerLurker]

Well, well, well. I didn't see that the title of your page WAS a link. And I see that it goes to the CDC. It appears that THEY are the ones who are claiming that CaF₂ is insoluable at 20 C. Well that shows how much we can trust THEIR info on this subject...

[FormerLurker]

Ha,ha,ha,ha...

It appears that the CDC "source" says that sodium fluorosilicate, the stuff they use to fluoridate water supplies, IS NOT SOLUBLE...

Sodium fluorosilicate

[FormerLurker]

I can see why the CDC puts out the following DISCLAIMER on their "safety cards"

IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTICE

Neither the CEC or the IPCS nor any person acting on behalf of the CEC or the IPCS is responsible for the use which might be made of this information. These cards contain the collective views of the IPCS Peer Review Committee and may not reflect in all cases all the detailed requirements included in national legislation on the subject. The user should verify compliance of the cards with the relevant legislation in the country of use.

[FormerLurker]

Well at least the CDC is nice enough to tell us that what they put in our water supplies is a poison, although they claim in doesn't dissolve. This is obviously not true...

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS ARE MADE IN THIS SHEET:

EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE: The substance may cause effects on the calcium metabolism, resulting in cardiac disorders and impaired functions.

EFFECTS OF LONG-TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE: The substance may have effects on the bone, resulting in fluorosis.

From CDC: International Chemical Safety Cards

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International Chemical Safety Cards

SODIUM HEXAFLUOROSILICATE

ICSC: 1243

Sodium fluorosilicate
Sodium silicofluoride
Disodium hexafluorosilicate
Na₂SiF₆
Molecular mass: 188.0
ICSC #    1243
CAS #     16893-85-9
RTECS # VV8410000
UN #        2674
EC #         009-012-00-0

TYPES OF HAZARD/ EXPOSURE	ACUTE HAZARDS/ SYMPTOMS	PREVENTION	FIRST AID/ FIRE FIGHTING
FIRE	Not combustible. Gives off irritating or toxic fumes (or gases) in a fire.		In case of fire in the surroundings: all extinguishing agents allowed.
EXPLOSION
EXPOSURE		PREVENT DISPERSION OF DUST!
•INHALATION	Burning sensation. Cough. Sore throat. (See Ingestion).	Avoid inhalation of fine dust and mist. Local exhaust or breathing protection.	Fresh air, rest. Refer for medical attention.
•SKIN	Redness. Pain.	Protective gloves. Protective clothing.	Remove contaminated clothes. Rinse skin with plenty of water or shower.
•EYES	Redness. Pain.	Safety goggles, or eye protection in combination with breathing protection if powder.	First rinse with plenty of water for several minutes (remove contact lenses if easily possible), then take to a doctor.
•INGESTION	Abdominal cramps. Burning sensation. Nausea. Vomiting.	Do not eat, drink, or smoke during work. Wash hands before eating.	Rinse mouth. Refer for medical attention.

SPILLAGE DISPOSAL

STORAGE

PACKAGING & LABELLING

Do NOT wash away into sewer. Sweep spilled substance into sealable containers; if appropriate, moisten first to prevent dusting. Carefully collect remainder, then remove to safe place. (Extra personal protection: P3 filter respirator for toxic particles).

Separated from acids, food and feedstuffs.

Do not transport with food and feedstuffs.
Marine pollutant.
Note: A
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R: 23/24/25
S: 1/2-26-45
UN Hazard Class: 6.1
UN Packing Group: III

SEE IMPORTANT INFORMATION ON BACK

ICSC: 1243

Prepared in the context of cooperation between the International Programme on Chemical Safety & the Commission of the European Communities (C) IPCS CEC 2001. No modifications to the International version have been made except to add the OSHA PELs, NIOSH RELs and NIOSH IDLH values.

International Chemical Safety Cards

SODIUM HEXAFLUOROSILICATE

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PHYSICAL STATE; APPEARANCE: WHITE GRANULAR POWDER. PHYSICAL DANGERS: CHEMICAL DANGERS: The substance decomposes on heating producing toxic and corrosive fumes including fluorine. Reacts with concentrated acids producing corrosive hydrogen fluoride (see ICSC 0283). OCCUPATIONAL EXPOSURE LIMITS: TLV: 2.5 mg/m3 as F (as TWA) (ACGIH 1994-1995).

ROUTES OF EXPOSURE: The substance can be absorbed into the body by inhalation of its aerosol and by ingestion. INHALATION RISK: Evaporation at 20°C is negligible; a harmful concentration of airborne particles can, however, be reached quickly. EFFECTS OF SHORT-TERM EXPOSURE: The substance irritates the eyes, the skin and the respiratory tract. The substance may cause effects on the calcium metabolism , resulting in cardiac disorders and impaired functions. Medical observation is indicated. EFFECTS OF LONG-TERM OR REPEATED EXPOSURE: The substance may have effects on the bone , resulting in fluorosis.

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Melting point (decomposes): see Notes Relative density (water = 1): 2.7

Solubility in water: none

ENVIRONMENTAL DATA
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Melts at red heat with decomposition. Transport Emergency Card: TEC (R)-61G11b

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

ICSC: 1243	SODIUM HEXAFLUOROSILICATE
(C) IPCS, CEC, 2001

IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTICE:

Neither NIOSH, the CEC or the IPCS nor any person acting on behalf of NIOSH, the CEC or the IPCS is responsible for the use which might be made of this information. This card contains the collective views of the IPCS Peer Review Committee and may not reflect in all cases all the detailed requirements included in national legislation on the subject. The user should verify compliance of the cards with the relevant legislation in the country of use. The only modifications made to produce the U.S. version is inclusion of the OSHA PELs, NIOSH RELs and NIOSH IDLH values.

[FormerLurker]

Well at least the CDC is nice enough to tell us that what they put into our water supplies is a poison, although they claim in it doesn't dissolve. This is obviously not true...

[FormerLurker]

Actually, argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to autority is a logical fallacy. Especially since the odds are so stacked up against you:

You can say that again Tom...

[TomB]

You can say that again Tom...

Well, since you had no response for all these authorities recommendinfg fluoride, I think I will:

Actually, argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to autority is a logical fallacy. Especially since the odds are so stacked up against you:

Linus Pauling pH.d.:

"Over a period of more than a decade I have studied the available information about the fluoridation of drinking water I have reached the conclusion that the presence of fluoride ion in drinking water in concentrations about equal to the average for natural water is beneficial to the health, especially because of the protection that it provides against dental caries, and that there is no evidence for detrimental effects comparable in significance to the beneficial effects. I support the actions of city, state, and national governments in ordering that public supplies of drinking water be brought to this level by the addition of fluoride, in case that the water is deficient in fluoride, and by removal of some of the fluoride if there is an excess of fluoride in the water supply."


Daniel H. Lasser, M.D., MPH

Chair, Department of Family Medicine & Community Health

Randy F. Wertheimer, M.D.

Vice-Chair, Department of Family Medicine & Community Health

The Department of Family Medicine and Community Health, of the University of Massachusetts Medical School, is a community of academic and community physicians, and have a strong interest in improving the public health of our community. For this reason, we strongly support the fluoridation of the Worcester water supply….We do not believe that there is any scientific evidence that supports the view that there is any harm to people with the addition of fluoride to the water supply.


Dr. C. Everett Koop, U.S. Surgeon General 1981-1989:

"Fluoridation is the single most important commitment a community can make to the oral health of its children and to future generations."


Dr. David Satcher, Surgeon General of the United States:

"Community water fluoridation remains one of the great achievements of public health in the Twentieth Century - an inexpensive means of improving oral health that benefits all residents of a community, young and old, rich and poor alike."

Not to mention all the organizations that support fluoridation:

Academy of Dentistry International
Academy of General Dentistry
Academy of Sports Dentistry
Alzheimer’s Association
American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology
American Academy of Family Physicians
American Academy of Oral and Maxillofacial Pathology
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry
American Academy of Periodontology
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association for Dental Research
American Association of Community Dental Programs
American Association of Dental Schools
American Association of Endodontists
American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons
American Association of Orthodontists
American Association of Public Health Dentistry
American Cancer Society
American College of Dentists
American College of Physicians — American Society of Internal Medicine
American College of Prosthodontists
American Council on Science and Health
American Dental Assistants Association
American Dental Association
American Dental Hygienists’ Association
American Dietetic Association
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations
American Hospital Association
American Medical Association
American Nurses Association
American Osteopathic Association
American Pharmaceutical Association
American Public Health Association
American School Health Association
American Society of Clinical Nutrition
American Society of Dentistry for Children
American Society for Nutritional Sciences
American Student Dental Association
American Veterinary Medical Association
American Water Works Association
Association for Academic Health Centers
Association of Maternal and Child Health Programs
Association of State and Territorial Dental Directors
Association of State and Territorial Health Officials
British Dental Association
British Fluoridation Society
British Medical Association
Canadian Dental Association
Canadian Dental Hygienists Association
Canadian Medical Association
Canadian Nurses Association
Canadian Paediatric Society
Canadian Public Health Association
Chocolate Manufacturers Association
Consumer Federation of American
Delta Dental Plans Association
European Organization for Caries Research
FDI World Dental Federation
Federation of Special Care Organizations in Dentistry
-- Academy of Dentistry for Persons with Disabilities
-- American Association of Hospital Dentists
-- American Society for Geriatric Dentistry
Health Insurance Association of America
Hispanic Dental Association
International Association for Dental Research
International Association for Orthodontics
International College of Dentists
Institute of Medicine
National Academy of Sciences
National Alliance for Oral Health
National Association of County and City Health Officials
National Association of Dental Assistants
National Confectioners Association
National Council Against Health Fraud
National Dental Assistants Association
National Dental Association
National Dental Hygienists’ Association
National Down Syndrome Congress
National Down Syndrome Society
National Foundation of Dentistry for the Handicapped
National Kidney Foundation
National PTA
National Research Council
Society of American Indian Dentists
The Dental Health Foundation (of California)
US Department of Defense
US Department of Veterans Affairs
US Public Health Service
Centers for Disease and Prevention (CDC)
Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA)
Indian Health Service (IHS)
National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research (NIDCR)
World Federation of Orthodontists
World Health Organization

[FormerLurker]

The CDC says the SODIUM FLUOROSILICATE DOESN'T DISSOLVE IN WATER TOM. Now, if that is the sort of science that your folks do, well, I pretty can see that your list is pretty much the same....

[TomB]

The CDC says the SODIUM FLUOROSILICATE DOESN'T DISSOLVE IN WATER TOM. Now, if that is the sort of science that your folks do, well, I pretty can see that your list is pretty much the same....

OK, we'll cross that off the list. It still leaves 93 organizations on that list.

But, considering this might be a governmnet led conspiracy, lets go to Britain. Here is a comprehensive (it looked at over 200 studies) epidemological study by York College on fluoridation:

A Systematic Review of Public Water Fluoridation 2000

Here are some of its conclusions:

"The best available evidence suggests that fluoridation of drinking water supplies does reduce caries prevalence"

"Using a qualitative method of analysis, there is no clear association of hip fracture with water fluoridation. The evidence on other fractures is similar."

"There is no clear association between water fluoridation and overall cancer incidence and mortality. This was also true for osteosarcoma and bone/joint cancers. Only two studies considered thyroid cancer and neither found a statistically significant association with water fluoridation."

"Overall, no clear association between water fluoridation and incidence or mortality of bone cancers, thyroid cancer or all cancers was found."

[FormerLurker]

Tom, you say that the EPA supports your position. Well, let's take a look into that...

"E.P.A. should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects." - Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A.

From UK Government review of fluoridation goes online amid controversy

The National Toxicology Program (NTP) studied fluoride for 13 years and found evidence that fluoride causes bone cancer in lab rats. A prestigious senior official from the US Public Health Service, experienced in the prestigious art of writing scientific reviews, rewrote the NTP report to make it appear that the evidence that fluoride is carcinogenic is equivocal instead of definitive.5 William Marcus, Ph.D. senior toxicologist in the EPA Office of Drinking Water, blew the whistle on this cover up. When he examined the original data of the experiment, Dr. Marcus found that there was clear evidence that fluoride causes cancer and that the results had been deliberately downgraded by the reviewer. Marcus publicly stated that there could be more than 10,000 avoidable fluoride-related deaths per year.7 For this, Dr. Marcus was fired in 1990. Dr Marcus sued. In 1992, the EPA was ordered by the court to rehire him and pay back pay, legal expenses and $50,000 in damages. "EPA appealed, but the appeal was turned down in 1994 by Secretary of Labor, Robert B. Reich who accused EPA of firing Dr. Marcus in retaliation for speaking his mind in public. Reich found among other things that EPA had shredded important evidence that would have supported Dr. Marcus in court. The original trial proceedings also show that EPA employees who wanted to testify on behalf of Dr. Marcus were threatened by their own management. EPA officials also forged some of his time cards, and then accused him of misusing his official time."8

[FormerLurker]

Now why do you think the CDC would warn about the dangers of sodium fluorosilicate to fish, but not warn that sodium fluorosilicate is unfit for human consumption?. Oh wait, it DOES warn not to STORE this toxin with FOOD STUFFS, as it is a POISON! You do see the images I linked below, right Tom? I think you can call dumping sodium fluorosilicate into a water supply "STORING" the poison with "food stuffs", as the water will be used for human consumption and cooking. So you see Tom, the CDC IS warning about the dangers of sodium fluorosilicate...

BTW Tom, can you find the sodium fluoride safety card at the CDC website and post a link? I can't seem to find one there for that compound....