[Hermann the Cherusker]

Actually, I think the most important "race-matters" point is what Charlton Heston uttered to Michael Moore on his recent guns documentary "Bowling for Columbine". That Americans support widespread gun ownership and the cause of gun violence is because we have "mixed ethnicity".

Call it the truth that no one dares to utter, but everyone believes. Its amazing the hypocrisy this produces on the part of the loud chorus crying out "Me? Racist?"

For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in?

And please don't play us for the fool. If you really think in non-Racist ways, lets see your actions. Go buy a house in a mixed race neighborhood.

[sinkspur]

What's the racial mix in the neighborhood you live in?

Me? If a black family can afford to live in my neighborhood, I welcome them. In fact, we've got six in a three block area.

Everybody's got nice homes and clean yards, except for the old white couple behind me.

[docmcb]

"For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in?"

Answers: No, not if he were a Christian. No, and no.

[mfreddy]

For all the supposed non-Racist whites here


Thanks for giving people the benefit of the doubt. I love people equally, based on their actions not the color of their skin.

I like where I live just fine, I'm not going to move to prove a point to you. Get over yourself.

Talk about viewing the world through negro colored glasses. Why don't you try going through the day as an American instead of an Angry African American?

For you to assume the "whites" here are all racist is pathetic.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in?

My daughter is presently dating an Asian boy, who I quite approve of. She has previously dated a mixed-race black/Asian boy. He was a nice kid, who I had no problems with.

As far as neighborhoods go, if the house I really liked was at a good price in a black, middle class neighborhood, I wouldn't have any problems. If I lived in a neighborhood and a number of black families moved in, again no problem.

[Ol'Grey Head]

I'm proud to be a racist. Now I can say anything about anyone, without having to worry whether I'm PC enough. It's like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Free at last, good Lord, free at last! I can say or think anything I want about anybody, regardless of their race, religion, creed, or mental disorder.
Opps, I woke up. It was only a dream.

[wardaddy]

1) How would you feel if a group of whites or asians took over your middle class black neighborhood?

2) How would you feel about moving to a middle class white, latino, or asian neighborhood?

3) How would you feel about your black daughter marrying a white boy whether he be an enterprising conservative, a Southern redneck (like me albeit a bit younger), a Latino lad, an Asian engineer perhaps or a nice Ashkenazim Jewish boy?

All this chest thumping on this forum about who's the most sensitive about race grates on my friggin nerves. Many blacks and other minorities exploit this crap for all it's worth and use it as great cover for the consequences of being irresponsible and G-d knows there are a plethora of guilty soft as putty white folks who just roll their spineless asses over and grovel about how damned open minded they are about all the nasty stuff whitey has been doing since Noah .

Well in case you haven't figured it out partner, I ain't one of them. I "try" to treat everyone fair unless I'm given a reason otherwise but no I don't profess to be either colorblind nor do I think my tribe is any better because we are "white". But I do love my peculiar white culture(for better or worse) and I'm not going to denigrate it in order to be accepted as racially "sensitive".

I am a big believer in the concept of shame...G-d knows I've chewed on my share but guilt is way way over-rated and over-used.

And while we are on it....why is it because I would damn right prefer my daughters to marry a Southern White Christian boy preferably from a family I know or that at least has a damn good reputation make me a racist. Hell, this is the way of the world all over. Folks usually marry within certain demographics which are the custom. Look at Jews. I know many Asians whose parents are vehement about this point. Here in the age of MTV social engineering if one does not willing applaud and encourage racial intermarriage then they are somehow first cousin to David Duke.....like it's some kind of duty for white folks to first give the poor black man a leg up through breeding him up(talk about condescending) and secondly to sate the omnipresent 800 pound white guilt gorilla's appetite. I say BullSh!te! I know of no other culture in history that has behaved as such willingly and certainly not out of guilt.

Who somebody wants to sleep with or marry ain't my business but my own family's pursuits in that arena are indeed my business and I feel no compulsion to make that anybody else's for the good graces of political correctness.

I grew up as a boy in the ground zero furnace of civil rights strife when indeed folks were killed not infrequently. My family took a stand and were considered liberal Ni$$er-Lovers back then. Now....my grandpa and dad would be considered racist by wet-behind-the-ears turds that haven't ever risked a damn thing but their lunch money and don't know sh!te from shinola about real racism and tribal violence. I've had my fill of all of that here and around the planet.

This new mantra of having to prove how non-racist a white person is constantly as though we are being measured 24/7 makes me want to puke and the fact that it's become so fashionable on what is allegedly the world's most influential conservative net forum is worse yet. And it's not just about white vs. black. Bring up immigration or calling Islam "not" a religion of peace and you get the same diatribes from the church of the do-gooders here.

Well Hermann, you asked for it son. That was not your usual sensitive FReeper answer now was it? You want honesty...you got it. You can call on me anytime if you want someone who won't kiss your butt.

Respectfully!....("respect"...another grossly overused word that's lost it's intent)

[185JHP]

When the idea that people can issue laughable "challenges" for other people to try to prove a negative - that they're "not racist" - is met with disdain - we'll have a better country. No one has to do anything to prove anything to you.

[sauropod]

Rather arrogant of you, wouldn't you say?

AFA my daughter marrying a black man: Educated black man - no problem. Pimp- big problem.

There is also no denying the fact that should they have children, society will ostracize the children. Especially Black society.

Moving in a mixed neighborhood: Only if they maintain and improve their properties.

Have a day.

[doberville]

In return, may I respectfully ask: If it is racist to live in an unsegegated community, or prefer to, should one object to (1)an all black dormitory (U of MD) (2) a Black Student Union or (3) the NAAWP?. The Black Miss America pagent?

No? The blacks obviously feel more comfortable amongst their own company - as does every other ethnic group - else there wouldn't have been all these requests for separateness from the University. Why, before you know it, they'll be asking for their own WATER FOUNTAIN.

[Chi-townChief]

"Actually, I think the most important "race-matters" point is what Charlton Heston uttered to Michael Moore on his recent guns documentary "Bowling for Columbine". That Americans support widespread gun ownership and the cause of gun violence is because we have "mixed ethnicity"."

I haven't seen the movie but Heston may be quite correct on this point; birds of a feather, as they say.

However, I've always thought it amazing and a great credit to all Americans that we get along as well as we do despite all of our different backgrounds. You see our mixed ethnicity everywhere you go, work, shopping, church, walking around the block, restaurants, etc. and we're generally not at each others throats. Contrast that to anywhere else in the world.

[demosthenes the elder]

Well, let's see, now...
My house is neighbored on all sides by those of lower-middle to low-income black families. Does that qualify me to speak?
While I was in High School, my family had as guest-resident a highly educated, very large, very black man for 2.5 years. This man had parental authority over me and my siblings. Does this qualify me to speak?
After college in New Orleans, the one man who gave me a decent shot in the workforce was a black son of a sharecropper, with a third-grade education, and an otherwise black work crew. Does this qualify me to speak?
For four years in Atlanta, I lived in an apartment complex whith mixed demographics of the following approximate ratio: 20% White; 40% Black; 35% Latino; 5% Asian. Does this qualify me to speak?
I am going to assume that these above, and others too numerous to mention, meet your exacting standards and do qualify me to speak on this subject.
Race matters in America. It has mattered in the past, and matters now. But it does not matter in the same manner.
WHITE America, as a culture and in general, has made great strides in learning to treat individuals as such, not as organs of a particular breed of Man. BLACK America, also as a culture and in general, has gone very badly in the opposite direction. Where previously it was true that Blacks suffered greatly in their daily lives at the hands of Whites and a racist White culture, now the opposite condition is the prevailing fact. Moreover, since no one may recognize and publicly discuss this fact without being branded as a racist, this situation is creating a great deal of generalized resentment among Whites which will eventually boil over in a terrible and in many ways imprecise and unjust backlash.
Despite my training and my several good and cherished experiences with Blacks whom I hold dear, I have seen so much barbarity and anti-white racism and belligerence that I am now at a point where I am mildly surprised and faintly relieved whenever I meet a polite, articulate, reasonable Black man. That the prevailing Black (popular) culture which has produced this... experienced race-based set of expectations within me has not only been allowed to exist but has been encouraged to spread and flourish offends me deeply.
As I see things, it is this culture among Blacks that needs to be addressed now, as it is the prime source of racial strife in America today.

[sneakypete]

Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood?

It is a equally valid question to ask YOU if you have a problem remaining in a majority-black neighborhood.

[AngryOne]

"...Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man?"

Absolutely. I've seen enough of their neighborhoods and their culture to know that it is not what I aspire for my children to emulate. Also, I want to see my grandchildren having blonde hair and blue eyes. I really want to see my Euro/Western lineage go on.

"Would you have a problem moving into a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black..."

Absolutely. I worked as a paramedic in Los Angeles, Oakland, San Francisco, and the East Bay (outside of Oakland). No thank you. I've seen what they do to others and I've seen how they treat whites.

Also, what is so wrong with wanting to segregate among those who share your culture, heritage and values? After all, we champion, all across the nation, the rights of every ethnic group to march, vote, work, educate, and whatever else you can think of... unless you're white. Then if you attempt to, you are vilified as a racist. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

[glory]

Question for you--would you pose this same question to the black families who live in your "all black middle class community" after all, shouldn't you question why they have chosen a homogenous existance?
I remember a friend of mine saying how lucky we were to live in Arizona, it was so diverse. Well you know what, it was no more diverse than an all caucasian neighborhood. 90% of my old neighborhood was Mexican--how diverse is that?
Your types like to point fingers at white and ask why they live in their own little homogenous communities(in your opinion), but you don't seem to hold minorities to the same standard and ask why some minorities choose to live in neighborhoods of people who look like them. Minorities are constantly isolated themselves from the "evil white world" so why don't you ask them why? Anybody is welcome to move into the community we live in currently--there are no signs either overt or covert to keep any race away. All we ask is that your children behave, your homes are kept nice, and you keep the peace--this standard is held to ANYONE regardless of their race.

[glory]

Oh, I should add that my younger brother is engaged to a young woman of Haitian decent, she is black. Their relationship is thriving and nobody has any problem with where they are headed--the alter.
As for my daughter, I hope she picks a good, strong, Christian man who can care for her and any children that come of their marriage and loves her as Christ loved the church--aside from that standard, he can be any color of the rainbow.

[nanny]

[For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in? And please don't play us for the fool. If you really think in non-Racist ways, lets see your actions. Go buy a house in a mixed race neighborhood.]

Now I want you to tell m e just exactly what constitutes a racist? I need that before any more discussion.