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To: docmcb
Hermann the Cherusker wrote:

"For all the supposed non-Racist whites here, lets get an honest answer to a couple of questions. Would you have a problem with your white daughter marrying someone of a different race, especially a black man? Would you have a problem moving to a middle class all black neighborhood? Or with your neighborhoods suddenly becoming 50% black as a bunch of middle class blacks moved in?"

docmcb: you gave this reply: Answers: No, not if he were a Christian. No, and no.

and I say: DITTO!

and To: Hermann the Cherusker

As a matter of fact I'd rejoice if he had the character of Walter Williams, J.C. Watts or Colin Powell - character, I'm not talking about the money or power - they are just examples we will mutually recognize. Now if they were like Jesse Jackson, who cheats on his wife, then not only NO but HELL NO - why? it has nothing to do with a man's skin color, but his individual unique character. I would discourage my daughter from marrying a white fella if he was like Slick Willy or any other liberal fruitcake philanderer and fornicating cheat. So, are all black men cheaters? Are all whites "saints"? Hell no, and no one but God knows exactly how many and which ones are what really matters - of good or bad character - cheating sacks of horse hockey or worthy of my daughter, and in the end, "there can be only one" when it comes to marrying my daughter, which means that every other man, be he white or black is REJECTED, and that equally. Which just goes to show if you make a decision based on skin color alone you're a racist - and you in fact just did, asking / baiting us to make such a weak-minded and lazy decision. See, to true Christians and Conservatives, the skin is really transparent, and in that way shouldn't matter - we all bleed red and we all die. It should be seen past: "man looks on the outside, and God looks in the heart"... to the inside where it counts. "It is not what goes into a man that corrupts a man, but what comes out" and the pharisees were great looking on the outside but they were "white-washed sepulchers full of dead men's bones" and a sepulcher can be painted any color, it still is rotten to the core. So if liberals could quit focusing on the skin, and consider each person uniquely for his or her own merit - character, conduct and behavior, then we'd be truly evaluated for who we are, not who you or anyone elsethinks we are, based on what you or they heard and chose to believe what someone else said. You yourself are a victim of stereotypical prejudice as you assume the honest answer to your questions before you know the answer - you yourself are prejudging. And just because a selection of persons ever answers a certain way on any question, never gives you the right to "assume" and pass judgement on the rest of the group or any one individual who hasn't yet answered. You may suspect in your own mind, but you should always verify what you believe to actually be truth before you preach it. You poor hypocrite. Conservatives and persons who call themselves Christians who pursue Christ and acknowlege they are wrong when found in opposition to His teachings (the base definition: a follower of Christ) who say as Paul said "neither Jew nor Gentile, bond or free, etc." but all brothers and sisters, never purport otherwise to separate and judge by "unchangeables" (things we don't choose) like race, ethnicity, gender, (notice I didn't mention sexual behavior -it's not preference, either you commit sodomy or you don't), because God alone controls these unchangeables and to oppose Him or find fault with His handiwork is, well, to be blunt, stupid. So, you've proved your racist bias by asking us to make a decision on racist premises! Why should we make decisions based on race without knowledge of real factors? That's called pigeon-holing and entrapment - testimonies of a weak and biased mind. Hope you learn what you think you are trying to preach! Now here's a question for you: what color and gender am I? What's the right anwer? I'll tell you: Don't answer it!!! Because who cares and why does it matter! Do you? Does it? Why? When we get to heaven, not on our skin color or even on our merit but on His, it certainly won't matter either! All skin colors cook the same and feel pain the same in Hell as well, and all equally long - forever! Hope to see you in Heaven (no more squabbling over dermitology!) God Bless!

80 posted on 11/22/2002 10:55:11 PM PST by Theophilus
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To: Theophilus
BRAVO !
86 posted on 11/22/2002 11:09:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Theophilus
If God doesn't care about race, why did God make races? Or did we all jsut evolve as a bunch of electrons descneded from a monkey???

Are you saying it is racist to think God had different purposes in mind for different races when he made them, and that He didn't intend for humans to go about trifling with them by uniting them again physically in anything as they tried at Babel, but only to unite in the Christian Faith?

But wait! Isn't that what God clearly did with Israel by singling them out as His Chosen People, and ordering them to remain seperate from all other peoples? Doesn't that make the Bible the story of a racist God and a racist people (at least up to the time of Christ! so did God change in your view, and we have a "God of the Old Testament" and a "God of the New Testament"?) who refused to mix with others and were forced by their leaders to put away their strange wives AND CHILDREN when they did, like Ezra made them do (that would be Chapters 9 and 10 of Ezra).

Oh, and try taking Acts 17.26-27 out for a test-spin on St. Paul.

Your Christian teaching regarding race is a post-1850's fad. It has no real basis in anything Christians believed before that advent of Unitarianism and Universalism.

The the Apostles accepted these truths is easily proved by the various and sundry diverse Christian Rites they created to fit each culture - the Latin, the Coptic, the Syraic, the Byzantine, the Ethiopic, the Chaldeaic, the Armenian, the Indo-Malabar, the Gallic, the Mozarabic, etc. - each rite in the Church specifically created to suit the temperment and needs of that people. And the Church followed this system for centuries, creating along the way ever more new rites as needed, such as the Slavonic.

Much of the world's problems today are from Liberals trying to pretend everybody is all equal and the same, and therefore forcibly smothering out anything that smacks of differences because those difference might make someone feel bad since differences lead to judgements of better and worse. The extremist Catholic Latin Rite partisans are among the worst offenders in this regard.

90 posted on 11/22/2002 11:12:57 PM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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