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Woman Murdered After Witnessing to Homosexual; TEEN STABS DEVOUT CATHOLIC TO DEATH
Various | 11/21/02 | Various

Posted on 11/21/2002 4:58:51 PM PST by Polycarp

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/nov/02112108.html

HOMOSEXUAL TEEN STABS DEVOUT CATHOLIC TO DEATH

Violent reaction to suggestion that teen try to change sexual orientation

CHICAGO, November 21, 2002 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A homosexual teen stabbed a middle-aged devout Catholic woman to death, apparently after she suggested that he try to change his sexual orientation.

Police arrested Nicholas Gutierrez, 19, after he confessed on video and the body of fellow Sikorski Funeral Home employee, Mary Stachowicz, a 51-year-old Polish translator, was found in a crawl space beneath his apartment. He has been charged with first-degree murder, attempting to conceal a homicide and burglary.

"She was a very intense person concerned about the good of the parish always seeking things for the poor as well as the spiritual welfare of people," said Rev. Francis Rog of St. Hyacinth Church.

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November 21, 2002

Woman Murdered After Reportedly Witnessing to Homosexual

By Bob Kellogg, correspondent

A killing in Chicago last week could turn "hate crimes" laws on their head.

A brutal murder in Chicago last week highlights the double standard surrounding hate crimes. A homosexual killed a woman that was trying to witness to him. Will authorities call the killing a hate crime and will the media report it in the same way they did the Matthew Shepard murder?

Nineteen-year-old Nicholas Gutierrez is charged with first degree murder in the slaying of 51-year-old Mary Stachowicz. He allegedly beat, stabbed and hid her body in his apartment after she told him God would not approve of his lifestyle. The two were co-workers. Gutierrez allegedly has said he was enraged because it reminded him of heated debates with his mother. Relatives say Stachowicz was probably trying to help.

Peter LaBarbera, of Concerned Women for America, was pointed in his response to this crime.

"This woman, Mary Stachowicz, was killed evidently because she was sharing the truth about homosexuality to a gay activist," LaBarbera said. "We will be waiting to see, now, if the media treats this case like it treated the Matthew Shepard case."

So far it has not. Laura Montgomery, of Soulforce — a gay-activist organization — seemed to avoid the hate crime aspect of the incident.

"Our understanding of the Bible in no way condemns sexual orientation or the love that two people of the same sex feel towards one another," Montgomery said.

But, when pressed, Montgomery grudgingly said she might consider this murder a hate crime.

"If it was directed at this person and intended to intimidate Christians, that would be a hate crime in my mind," Montgomery said.

For LaBarbera, this murder was blatantly a hate crime.

"It's going to be hard for people to say this is not an anti-Christian hate crime committed by a homosexual activist. But I fully expect the media to not pay a lot of attention to this case."

Prosecutors say they are considering the death penalty for Gutierrez.

The Cook County State's Attorney's office says since Gutierrez is being charged with murder, a hate crime charge would be irrelevant.


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To: Desdemona
And the last 11 months did not demonstrate what homosexuals do and are about.

I disagree.

81 posted on 11/21/2002 7:38:41 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: What is the bottom line
By the way just what is your definition of a homo-phoebe. I have heard many different ones.

MCD
82 posted on 11/21/2002 7:40:32 PM PST by MSCASEY
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To: Polycarp
Another Christian murdered in the name of freedom of speach. Simply evil.
83 posted on 11/21/2002 7:41:43 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: What is the bottom line
I apologize for the callousness of some of my earlier remarks. I respect and admire people who give of themselves. Being anything less than reverential was error on my part.

No problem. Sorry for my own harshness too.

I'd recommend reading the materials on the NARTH website for more background on these issues.

84 posted on 11/21/2002 7:42:19 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Aristophanes
"My religion forbids me to keep it to myself - I'm a Catholic."

Sort of a licence to do almost anything in the name of your religion isn't it?

I suppose thats the attitude that muslem fanatics have when they kill christians. Their version of their religion forbids them to allow christians to live, so it's not only alright to kill them, it is required.

86 posted on 11/21/2002 7:47:04 PM PST by monday
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To: What is the bottom line
I agree. He made a bad decision and it cost him.

The media portrayed this to be something it was not. Very quickly they stopped saying the motive was robbery and stopped showing the other guy that was bashed in the head. They portrayed it as these two were on the rampage looking for a homosexual to kill, and that is just simply not true.

While I think he died in a way that no one should die but many murders these days are ugly and more violent that just a gun shot. I just read about the killings in Africa and people seem to not only want to kill, but desire to it in a very brutal way.

MCD

87 posted on 11/21/2002 7:47:22 PM PST by MSCASEY
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To: Polycarp
Betting that the DEAD woman will be accused of the hate crime and the poor boy just was beside himself, temporarily blinded by her intolerance and he defended himself... Any takers?
88 posted on 11/21/2002 7:47:54 PM PST by Libertina
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To: Polycarp
A liberal posterboy at work.
90 posted on 11/21/2002 7:52:43 PM PST by God is good
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To: Polycarp
"Our understanding of the Bible in no way condemns sexual orientation or the love that two people of the same sex feel towards one another," Montgomery said

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

What 'Bible' is she reading?
91 posted on 11/21/2002 7:55:26 PM PST by God is good
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To: monday
So if someone says something you don't like or want to hear that is equated to killing??? Stop trying to compare something you may not want to hear and someone saying it, with muslims killing Christians.

I get sick of this mommy I got my feelings hurt because so and so says they don't like what I am doing or that they think it is wrong. People don't have to accept and celebrate Christianity, homosexuality or anything else, but they have no right to physically harm some regardless. I may find homosexual behaivor disgusting as you may have a distaste for Christians so get over it.

92 posted on 11/21/2002 7:56:42 PM PST by MSCASEY
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To: What is the bottom line
I'm not sure either way.

I can honestly state that I am sure. Though my own specialty is as far from the head as one can get, I have read the studies, and as a physician I wholeheartedly believe reparative therapy can be effective.

But what if he's wrong?

Do you believe in God? If so, what do you believe about Him?

You are a Catholic. Your Church tells you that homosexuality is inherently disordered. The Word of God, the Bible, is of one voice regarding homosexuality. It is grave evil according to scripture.

Multiple studies of twins prove it is NOT genetic.

So it must be a psychological problem.

Repartive therapy is the ONLY therapy that takes a cohesive scholarly approach to homosexuality that can also be reconciled with our Christian understanding of man, sin, psychology, and ultimately healing and forgiveness.

The Catholic Medical Association has written one of the greatest documents I have found on this issue, you can read it at HOMOSEXUALITY AND HOPE: STATEMENT OF THE CATHOLIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION

93 posted on 11/21/2002 7:56:43 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: Desdemona
Why has anyone presumed that this dead Catholic woman did not have a rapport with the homosexual murderer (whom she knew and worked with) and was not conversing with him in love and out of great concern?

The murderer must have felt close to this kind lady - who did not approve of his choice to live what is typically a life of anal sex, an endless stream of sex partners (often anonymous), extreme risk of AIDS and other venereal diseases, high suicide rates, perpetual instability and rejection of Western values - for her scolding reminded him of his own mother (a woman who loved him but refused to silently approve of his self-destructive lifestyle choice).

And by the way, the anal sex, an endless stream of sex partners (often anonymous), extreme risk of AIDS and other venereal diseases, high suicide rates, perpetual "family" instability, and rejection of Western values - all of which typify the behavior of homosexuals - has a devastating effect on the community's economy, health and culture.

Those who are silent are part of the problem. MYOB is a good rule to follow, but it IS your business when you see a soul in danger. And if yuo think otherwise, I feel sorry for you.

Jesus and his disciples came to challenge sinners and give them hope. Their message was: stop, you are sinning, it is destructive and you know it, all men are guilty of some such destructive behavior (sin), Jesus' way is the answer.

Their message was not "live and let live" or anything like it.
94 posted on 11/21/2002 7:57:16 PM PST by Notwithstanding
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To: SuziQ
I heard one on the TV the other day. They have decided that the only part of the Bible that should be believed is the Gospels. They have dicided this because homosexuality is not discussed the in Gospels. Besides, they say, Paul was a sexist, tyrant.
95 posted on 11/21/2002 7:58:39 PM PST by Pushi
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To: What is the bottom line
Where do you get your idea of sin?
96 posted on 11/21/2002 8:00:07 PM PST by God is good
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To: monday
Sort of a licence to do almost anything in the name of your religion isn't it?

I suppose thats the attitude that muslem fanatics have when they kill christians.

Mondays always were the worst day of the week...

97 posted on 11/21/2002 8:00:43 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: monday
then I suppose you would also welcome gays comming over to your house and trying to convince you to convert to the gay lifestyle?

Thanks to Hollywood and the media, Gays are over at my house doing just that in almost every sitcom. Thanks to the liberal left they are in my schools being paid to do so. Do I now have the right to kill them? How absurd! You piss me off, I kill you now is the stuff of cavemen not an enlightened society. But the cave "men" don't seem to care.

98 posted on 11/21/2002 8:10:12 PM PST by American in Israel
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To: What is the bottom line
Friend, if there is a fundamentalist religion it is Roman Catholicism, the original Christian Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself. If you believe that homosexuality is not a sin, you are not Catholic as to that issue. Homosexuality is and always was and always will be an intrinsically disordered condition.

Traditionally, the psychiatric profession and the psychological profession (two very loose uses of the term "profession") did in fact hold homosexuality as a diagnosable mental illness. That was then the party line. Both "professions" were battered down by the gay rights pests in their own ranks. They decided "democratically" that truth had somehow changed and that homosexuality was no longer to be considered a mental illness. That is now the party line. Well, what sould be expected of groups that start out to diagnose the significance of human behavior and ritually ignore the existence of God, the soul, the afterlife, punishment, reward, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments.

I have a hard time imagining, that whatever time may have passed since the receipt of the Ten Commandments and the writing of the Bible, that fudgepacking is ever going to be morally acceptable behavior, or fisting, or whatever these folks do as a substitute for real life.

In the case at hand, the desperate emotional immaturity and attachment to vile sin of young Gutierrez (who has confessed so we are not ignoring his due process rights) has demanded of him the murder of his innocent co-worker whose life has proven far more caluable than his. I live in Illinois. I fervently hope that some tiny measure of my tax money will participate in the injection of that fatal cocktail into Gutierrez's veins. The sooner the better (around fifteen years here in Illinois, land of Richard Speck and John Wayne Gacy, two more Cook County perverts).

BTW, the nature of God is not a debate society question among actual Catholics. Nor is the sinfulness of homosexuality: any homosexuality, whatsoever. Nor is the sinfulness of murdering your co-worker because she reminded one of his mother arguing with him.

The more I think of this the more I realize that injection is a wimp punishment by this state of Illinois. Let Gutierrez die in the electrifying embrace of old Sparky.

100 posted on 11/21/2002 8:11:16 PM PST by BlackElk
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