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To: Sparta
You gotta hate Kitchener. He was the butcher responsible for introducing the modern world to concentration camps, in the form of disease ridden slaughterhouses for Boer women and children. The British were definitely on the wrong side of that conflict: the Boers were completely justified in their self defense against the arrogant British imperialists.

BTW, how did the British get gunboats up the Nile? What about the cataracts?

12 posted on 11/21/2002 4:30:16 PM PST by Maedhros
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To: Maedhros
BTW, how did the British get gunboats up the Nile? What about the cataracts?

Dragged through rapids, portaged around the cataracts. There's a good book on the topic, Omdurman, Philip Ziegler, Dorset Press.

13 posted on 11/21/2002 4:34:35 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Maedhros
Also, the gunboats themselves were custom for the Nile.

Kitchener would have hesitated to venture even so far unless he had complete command of the river. The fact that he enjoyed this advantage was due, above all, to his fleet of gunboats. These lumbering, armour-plated Leviathans, slow in movement, inelegant in lines, still carried an amoury capable of demolishing any Arab fort which they might encounter along the banks of the Nile. Kitchener started with four of them, antiquated by the standards of what was to come, but still quite formidable enough to have maintained Gordon indefinitely in Khartoum if he had had the good luck to include them in his armoury. [But Gordon had been murdered in 1885. -- VR] Then came a new and yet more fearsome model, designed especially for the campaign, crated in a myriad of containers and carried laboriously by train, camel and steamer up the Nile to the assembly point. One hundred and forty feet long and 24 feet wide, these boats could steam at twelve miles an hour and draw only 39 inches of water. Each carried a twelve-pounder quick-firing gun, two six-pounders, a howitzer, four Maxim guns and, what was to prove as useful as anything, a battery of searchlights. They provided the most formidable concentration of firepower in the Sudan.
Fat-fingered in from Ziegler's book. Typos mine, British-isms his.
16 posted on 11/21/2002 4:48:58 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Maedhros
Ummm, we're not discussing the Boer War, but thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to get back to you on the gunboats.
20 posted on 11/21/2002 5:57:28 PM PST by Sparta
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To: Maedhros
The Boers were sorta like a Calvinist Taliban but Kitchener's method of breaking their will by starving their children in concentration camps was definitely beyond the pale.
40 posted on 11/22/2002 3:30:56 AM PST by weikel
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