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Posted on 11/20/2002 8:50:54 PM PST by Sir Gawain

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To: Carry_Okie
No problem.

It sounded, as I re-read your post, that you proceeded on sort of a chronological basis, starting with the oldest civilizations and proceeding forward. I think we can handle that.
21 posted on 11/21/2002 10:13:05 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: ConservativeDude
"but Thucidides is proving to be a little much"

By the way, I have felt the same way myself....and I am not currently being homeschooled! I think the effort to tackle it is highly commendable. Keep up the great work.
22 posted on 11/21/2002 10:14:43 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: valkyrieanne
Please don't throw bricks, but the "socialization" issue *is* a big deal for us - I'm not saying it is for everyone

But at least you're honest enough to admit it. The NEA and other educrats believe that parents aren't qualified to teach their own children, and that's what most homeschoolers get their defenses up about. I feel that, unless proven otherwise, every parent is doing what they think is right for their children. If everyone felt the way you did, there would be no need for threads such as these. Thanks.

23 posted on 11/21/2002 10:23:28 AM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: ConservativeDude
Think of it as chronicling the flows of civilizations, including the ECONOMIC raison d'etre. Without that, the politics make no sense.

Think about it. The Phoenicians were world traders. Why them instead of the Greeks (who were better situated)? Cedar, and no other reason. Toredo worms and rot fungi don't like cedar so the ships stay intact. Take care of that forest or else lose the edge. Once you've got that edge propagate it through port facilities to North Africa (Carthage), Sicily, Gibralter, and onward. Then there was the eastward route through the Indian Ocean to the coast of South America. With them they took the Hebrews. There are found pyramids and glyphs EXACTLY reminiscent of those of the Middle East. There it is: economics, resource biology, and the diffusion of cultures worldwide.

The Babylonians made money on agriculture. Why? The rivers. When they built a city what did they need? Wood for roofs and metals for tools. They had river transportation but needed conquest to acquire the goods. When their supply lines got strung out, when they got lazy from the easy life, and they had something worth stealing, in came the Hittites on charriots followed by the Assyrians. Why were the latter successful? Iron weapons.

Economy, resources technology. It's the real story of history that all those "historians" seem to forget with their obsessions about culture and religion. Just because it's boring to historians and archaeologists doesn't mean that it isn't the engine of history.

24 posted on 11/21/2002 10:31:30 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: ConservativeDude; blam
I would like to add that there is one other element which hasn't made it into our curriculum that I will add later when the information becomes more available in consolidated form: catastrophism. One of the missing elements from typical history courses is what happened when these events occurred, indeed they are hardly mentioned. The reason being that whenever there is a major global catastrophe (such as a comet impact), there are few records (people are too busy surviving to write anything down).

That doesn't change the pivotal role catastrophes have had in shaping history such as cometary or meteoritic impacts, and volcanism. The resulting weather changes destroy crops and cause those annoying famines you read about in the Bible.

We don't have a good grip on the quantitative consequences of these events as relates to the political fallout. This is, in part, because of the many different types of archaeologists involved, each with their own politics, much less considering the astrophysicists. We have a FReeper (blam) who is doing a quite a job of chronicling papers as they become available. They are indexed and I will try to get you the list name.

25 posted on 11/21/2002 1:22:23 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Herodotus is somewhat dry reading....is she required to read this or is it for her pleasure?
26 posted on 11/21/2002 1:30:21 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: Lizavetta
The kids didn't agree with you. (NattieShea is standing right here and said, "It's not dry at all!")

They BOTH read the Histories, including the eight-year-old. That's right, 8. PowerBaby's (her FReeper name) favorite part was about 'kill the king to become the king.' (I just got a big smile; she's behind me doing her algebra, simplifying polynomial fractions.)

It was required that they give it a shot, but they liked it so much that it didn't take any more prodding. I kept asking if it was OK and I kept getting these enthusiastic grins. NattieShea especially liked the story of Darius' horse and how he became king. I morph the coursework as we go along depending upon what is available and the response I get.

Remember, these things are taught in a broader context than just the history. That makes them more interesting. Still, if it is essential, we have to figure a way through it and sometimes that involves experiments that don't work out. To know if the problem was the pedagogy and not the kid, they must give it an honest attempt. If it doesn't work, I'll try something else. They trust me to do that and understand that not everything in life is fun. One must develop the self-discipline to learn the tools before making use of them. Sometimes that involves simple rote and drudgery, jut like doing musical scales or ballet exercises.

That's real life. I'm preparing them to be capable of self-education. That takes drive and discipline.
27 posted on 11/21/2002 1:54:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie; ConservativeDude
Gods, Graves, Glyphs


28 posted on 11/21/2002 3:46:49 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Thanks! I was just about to post it :-)
29 posted on 11/21/2002 4:00:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
"Thanks! I was just about to post it :-)"

You're welcome. Ernest_at_the_Beach set that up. Unfortunately, I never could understand the instructions on how to place articles in there and Ernest got tired of 'carrying-my-water', so, things aren't placed in there much any more. I keep some things bookmarked on my profile page.

30 posted on 11/21/2002 4:14:32 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
To add a thread to the list, all you have to do is put "*Gods, Graves, Glyphs" in the "To:" box when you post... and then, um, remember the name of the list. :-)
31 posted on 11/21/2002 4:46:04 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: asformeandformyhouse
The NEA and other educrats believe that parents aren't qualified to teach their own children, and that's what most homeschoolers get their defenses up about.

We have homeschooled - just not high school. Even with all the children in school, I would still be out there lobbying for the right to homeschool (the NEA can go stuff a sock where the sun don't shine.) I want a trap door personally, as well as believing that parents are the ones to decide. It would be nice if we lived in an area with a wider variety of older homeschoolers, but that's life - nichevo as the Russians say. : )

32 posted on 11/21/2002 6:36:30 PM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: Sir Gawain
I think I enjoy homeschooling curriculm fairs even more than gun shows! Why? Well, both are so un-PC and they drive liberals totally insane. Curriculm fairs are best because you see lots of families with well adjusted children at them. Strolling through one you get the feeling that there's still hope for this country and the American family. In fact when you think about it us homeschoolers are the new counter-culture!
33 posted on 11/21/2002 7:15:27 PM PST by chickenlips
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To: Kwilliams
I don't envy any of your professors in j-school. Make sure you detail it in future columns.

And keep up the good work.

34 posted on 11/21/2002 7:25:35 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: valkyrieanne
If your goal is for your child to be educated and socialized by the socialists in charge of a public school.. then you are on the right track.

I do not intend on insulting you, however, as a homeschooler it is important that the public understand Homeschooling is a movement , not just about WHERE we choose to educate our children.

Homeschool is a lifestyle. We choose not to take no for an answer. We choose to overcome obstacles. We choose not to take the easy way of raising our children. We choose to allow our children to direct their own lives and not have to answer to government institutions.

There is so much more to our children's lives than having friendships with other people exactly like themselves , " friends"that will be only around for a few years.

Homeschooling is not for everyone, and it is very time consuming and taxing at times. Homeschooling is a choice, and some people ( few) do not have the luxuary of choices. However, I can't take the socialization excuse anymore. If you really thought homeschooling was right for your kids you would find a way to do it. That is the type of Gusto that is needed for homeschooling in the first place. Our Homeschool moto is ... " if we can get a man to the moon, then anything is possible. You may have to work at it ... so get busy."

35 posted on 11/24/2002 8:14:25 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross
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To: 2Jedismom; homeschool mama
A great Big Izzy Lyman bump!! Check out this thread!
36 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:04 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: valkyrieanne
aren't interested in joining a fundamentalist church or homeschool group

We aren't doing either. Our dd is in 9th grade and our ds is in 7th. They attended school up until two years ago, when we began h/sing. We get our ds together with a friend from his old school sometimes, but most of his 'socialization' comes from Boy Scouts and a get together we have once a week or so with two or three other h/sing families. It isn't a formal homeschool group, we just get together for FUN! The kids play games or run around outside if its nice, and the moms and dad just chat. It is very relaxing, and no one has any particular responsibilities. Our dd had made friends with one of these girls from Girl Scouts before we ever knew she was homeschooled! Neither of our kids play sports, so they don't have a whole lot of friends, other than the homeschooled ones, but they are content. Our dd had such BAD socialization experiences in school, she's just as happy to be left alone!

All that having been said, sometimes h/sing won't work out; not every family can or wants to do it. We h/sers have to be less judgemental of others who are not h/sing. Being pushy or ugly about it certainly won't win folks over!

37 posted on 11/24/2002 9:13:54 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm preparing them to be capable of self-education.

=)

38 posted on 12/07/2002 12:31:37 AM PST by Askel5
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To: valkyrieanne
Please don't throw bricks, but the "socialization" issue *is* a big deal for us - I'm not saying it is for everyone - but if our kids homeschooled for high school they most likely would have few or no friends.

Not socializing into todays society isn't necessarily bad; but even given that statement, there are other possibilities: Boy Scouts, Church Groups, Community Theatres, Community Classes (swimming, etc). Also, I believe that because you pay taxes your child is entitled to participate in whatever classes you want him/her to in the local school. The fact is, you do not have to dump your child at the town education refuse area to get interaction. Even if there was no opportunity to socialize, no socialization is better than bad socilalization.

God Bless from a fairly new Home Schooler (just started in September).

39 posted on 12/07/2002 12:52:17 AM PST by power2
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