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Young Americans flunk geography, according to National Geographic quiz survey
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | November 20, 2002 | Paul Recer

Posted on 11/20/2002 11:50:02 AM PST by anguish

Young Americans flunk geography, according to National Geographic quiz survey

Wed Nov 20, 9:43 AM ET

By PAUL RECER, AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON - Ask young people to pick out Iraq on a map of the Middle East, and only 13 percent can locate it — despite a barrage of headlines and broadcast reports about a possible war against President Saddam Hussein.

Same goes for Israel or Iran, according to a National Geographic study that finds there has been little to no improvement in students' knowledge of geography since 1988.

The society survey released Wednesday found that only about one in seven of Americans between the age of 18 and 24, the prime age for military warriors, could find Iraq. The score was the same for Iran, an Iraqi neighbor.

Although the majority, 58 percent, of the young Americans surveyed knew that the Taliban and al-Qaida were based in Afghanistan, only 17 percent could find that country on a world map. A U.S.-led force attacked the Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan in October 2001, and President Bush has said he is prepared to use force to rid Iraq of any chemical, nuclear or biological weapons programs.

The survey asked 56 geographic and current events questions of young people in nine countries and scored the results with traditional grades. The surveyed Americans got a "D," with an average of 23 correct answers. Mexico ranked last with an average score of 21, just three points from a failing grade.

Topping the scoring was Sweden, with an average of 40, followed by Germany and Italy, each with 38. None of the countries got an "A," which required average scores of 42 correct answers or better on the 56 questions.

"If our young people can't find places on a map and lack awareness of current events, how can they understand the world's cultural, economic and natural resource issues that confront us?" John Fahey, president of the National Geographic Society, said in a statement.

National Geographic is convening an international panel of policy makers and business and media leaders to find ways to improve geographic education and to encourage interest in world affairs, the society said.

Other findings from the survey:

_Thirty-four percent of the young Americans knew that the island used on last season's "Survivor" television show was located in the South Pacific, but only 30 percent could locate the state of New Jersey on a map. The "Survivor" show's location was the Marquesas Islands in the eastern South Pacific.

_When asked to find 10 specific states on a map of the United States, only California and Texas could be located by a large majority of those surveyed. Both states were correctly located by 89 percent of the participants. Only 51 percent could find New York, the nation's third most populous state.

_On a world map, Americans could find on average only seven of 16 countries in the quiz. Only 89 percent of the Americans surveyed could find their own country on the map.

_In the world map test, Swedes could find an average of 13 of the 16 countries. Germans and Italians were next, with an average of 12 each.

_Only 71 percent of the surveyed Americans could locate on the map the Pacific Ocean, the world's largest body of water. Worldwide, three in 10 of those surveyed could not correctly locate the Pacific Ocean.

_Although 81 percent of the surveyed Americans knew that the Middle East is the Earth's largest oil exporter, only 24 percent could find Saudi Arabia on the map.

The international survey was conducted for the National Geographic by RoperASW. The results are based on face-to-face interviews with at least 300 men and women aged 18 to 24 in Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden, Britain and the United States.

The questionnaires were in the local language, but the content was universally the same.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: education; geography
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To: janette
Good for you! I'll eat crow if they perform better in picking out states than the US and Mexico did in picking out countries. ;)
21 posted on 11/20/2002 12:13:59 PM PST by Nataku X
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To: DSHambone
Beat me to it. Gotta love old "Bitter Bierce".
22 posted on 11/20/2002 12:14:04 PM PST by gundog
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Have you ever eaten a full stick of butter?
23 posted on 11/20/2002 12:14:36 PM PST by xrp
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To: DSHambone
On the same subject, did they actually determine a date for his death? Or a cause? All I ever see is "disappearred into Mexico".
24 posted on 11/20/2002 12:17:10 PM PST by gundog
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To: xrp
As aposed to an empty stick?
25 posted on 11/20/2002 12:17:22 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: anguish
I was so bad at Geography I couldn't even find the classroom!
26 posted on 11/20/2002 12:25:13 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: Nakatu X
However, it's annoying how Europeans gloat that we're so culturally ignorant compared to them. We had a German guest professor came in a couple of weeks ago and sack us (those few of us that weren't H1-B Indians, that is) for not knowing more about European politics/affairs and so on. (Note: this was supposed to be a lecture on M2MI, not European politics.)

LOL - there's long been a different standard for what constitutes "educated" in Europe versus here. At the risk of seriously overgeneralizing and stereotyping, the emphasis in America has, for a long time, been on practical, pragmatic sorts of useful knowledge, whereas in Europe the standard has been that one should be as well-rounded and as much of a Renaissance Man as possible - a brilliant scientist or engineer who couldn't speak intelligently on art, literature, or music would be considered hopelessly uneducated and uncultured. It's the difference between a mobile, pragmatic, egalitarian society and a sclerotic, romantic, class-obsessed society (take that, Euro-weenies!)

I'd almost compare living in Europe & knowing about European countries to living in the USA & knowing about states.

Well, that's it exactly. You're supposed to know about Europe because Europe is the center of the universe, dammit. And you're just supposed to ignore how incredibly ignorant they are about the provinces...err, USA. They can't for the life of them imagine how a man like GWB could be elected by a sane society, so they reach for the only remaining explanation - we're all nuts. Nevermind that this betrays an incredible arrogance and ignorance about American culture and society - we're not supposed to have those things anyway ;)

27 posted on 11/20/2002 12:28:34 PM PST by general_re
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Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Yemen, Oman, UAE, even those really grateful Kuwaitis ... Johnny can't pick 'em out on a map? No big deal. They all hate US.
28 posted on 11/20/2002 12:29:48 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Hay, "noone" is "aposed" to no wear Iraq is. Rite?
29 posted on 11/20/2002 12:32:51 PM PST by newgeezer
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To: newgeezer
I was a geography major as an undergrad and consider myself pretty good with maps but I doubt I could find all of them if they were just blank maps with no cities etc. listed.

Actually I think I could get them all except maybe the UAE and Oman. I might be able to guess them but would not be sure.

30 posted on 11/20/2002 12:37:23 PM PST by yarddog
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To: USMMA_83
God, you just wonder why some public schools are in existence and why school boards hire such idiotic people to staff them.
31 posted on 11/20/2002 12:37:57 PM PST by ladylib
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To: Hodar
As a teacher, I once had to take a group of HONOR students to a state convention. One wanted to know if she had to take her own sheets for the hotel.

One young man who worked for us had to go pick up something in south Texas. When he came back, he wanted to know if we knew the water in the Gulf was salty?

The national group for SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHERS were meeting in Dallas. When asked by local hosts what they would like to do for entertainment, they wanted to go to Mexico one evening. They had NO IDEA that it would take all day just to get there by bus!

32 posted on 11/20/2002 12:40:59 PM PST by mathluv
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To: newgeezer
Eye no were Irak is.
R U the spellin p'lice?
Smirk ;^)
33 posted on 11/20/2002 12:41:17 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS
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To: gundog
He ran into Gregory Peck and Jimmy Smitts, was having a good time and then Jane Fonda showed up an he died straight away!!!!
35 posted on 11/20/2002 12:42:49 PM PST by DSHambone
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To: ladylib
That's the problem here! It's not the students or parents fault. It's the system which staffes schools with bad educaters. There are very few private schools in Germany. Most people can't efford them and actually it's not nessesary because the "public schools" are as good as the private ones. They all work with the same programs. The groups might be smaller but the results can be the same if the student realy wants to learn.
36 posted on 11/20/2002 12:45:01 PM PST by janette
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To: mathluv
Still in Germany, my husband employed a computer specialist from California to work for him in Milan-Italy. He said: Fine and after work I will go to Munich to the Hofbraeuhaus! My husband mentioned that's too far, the guy said: don't worry I'll go by taxi!
37 posted on 11/20/2002 12:50:08 PM PST by janette
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To: Wright is right!
Well, Metro is larger than Los Angeles; in the past eight years we have had the world come to us; didn't you read in the Tennessean that we are the Kurdish capital of America?

Hint: their home country was between Iraq and Turkey.

38 posted on 11/20/2002 1:06:24 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: HEY4QDEMS
There are two "p"s in apposed. Unless, of course, you meant opposed.
39 posted on 11/20/2002 1:10:02 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
Coming from Lebanon which has the French system of education, I went to a public high school in the US. Here are some comparisons I can make from personal experience:
1) Even without knowing how to speak English it was a piece of cake to rise to the top of my class in the US public schools (PS)
2) The grammar I learned in Lebanon constituted a much better base than American students have
3) Geography and History are American weaknesses. While Geography can be practical day to day, history is most important in a democracy. By the twentieth century most forms of government have been tried. How could an American vote for the best government possible if he/she doesn't know certain historical truths such as socialism has been a failure every time it's been tried, and appeasement has improved the resolve of tyrants?
4) School in the US is more fun than in Lebanon. The curriculum there was so demanding that it was tough to be a child. There must be a happy compromise.
5) Public schools in the US are much better equipped. This provides students at a young age with a great opportunity to learn practical computer and other skills.

Overall my conclusion is that the US would be in trouble if the rest of the world was not so messed up that the best minds come to the US. The freedoms and opportunities in the US are so fantastic that I wish people wouldn't take them for granted. The public school education system is broken and needs to be fixed, mainly through competition.
40 posted on 11/20/2002 1:27:59 PM PST by winner3000
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