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Bin Laden No Worse Than Falwell, Robertson, Swaggart, Top Muslim Says
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| 11/19/02
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Posted on 11/19/2002 11:39:39 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Argus
Ibrahim Hooper is the equivalent of Joseph Goebbels. More like Lord Haw Haw.
But the guy provides exactly the rationale for why Powell and Bush are correct in telling Falwell and Robertson to SHUT THE F*** UP!!!
Those guys are being represented as "religious leaders," which to people in an Islamic country means "de facto government."
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:11:24 PM PST
by
r9etb
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
well gosh.
Jerry, Marion, and Jimmy are only hypocrites, I don't put them in the same category as Osamma, an infamous murderer.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:20:29 PM PST
by
aSkeptic
To: Dialup Llama
Seems that their 'invention' of algebra was a fluke given their love of personalistic and subjective logics. Now we know why they invented the concept of 'zero'--they had to be able to describe the magnitude of their dedications and contributions to logic and world peace.
To: sheik yerbouty
Here's an interesting bit from a WND article:
CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper indicated in a 1993 interview with the Minneapolis Star Tribune that he wants to see the United States become a Muslim country.
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future," Hooper told the Star Tribune. "But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."
Hooper noted in the interview that Muslims aren't allowed to take over the U.S. and other governments. "What we fight for here and in the remainder of the world is to practice our beliefs," he said.
Calls to CAIR and Hooper's office by WorldNetDaily were not returned.
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To: Dialup Llama
Seems that their 'invention' of algebra was a flukeI hated algebra. Geometry rules!!
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:32:48 PM PST
by
pbear8
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Let's assume Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell are the Christian equivalent of Osama. That is, they are very worst of the
Christian fundamentalists.
Seems like the Christian fundies are relatively decent, unless you equate nasty talk with mass murder.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:34:32 PM PST
by
Salman
To: Dialup Llama
Seems that their 'invention' of algebra was a fluke given their love of personalistic and subjective logics. "Algebra" may be an Arabic word, but the Arabs learned it from the (Muslim) Moghuls, who learned it from their Hindu slaves. Likewise place value notation (that is, the zero).
These discoveries are historically called "Arabic" because the Europeans got them from the Arabs. Don't forget that Islam arose during the very low ebb of Western civilization known as the Dark Ages.
The struggle and cross-fertilization of the two cultures led to the revival of civilization in the West (the Renaissance). Islam on the other hand, after a brief flowering, sank back into the Dark Ages and stayed there.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:45:02 PM PST
by
Salman
To: MoGalahad
I was going to post
the link in the original post, but decided it would be more fun to wait until somebody tried to challenge the facts.
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posted on
11/19/2002 2:58:57 PM PST
by
steve-b
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Well the mussah is welcome to give us a call when some of Mr Robertson's or Falwell's followers smash an airplane into the Mosque in Mecca or Medinah, until then he should shut up and stop exposing his stupidity.
Falwell and Robertson, were wrong IMHO for trying the characterize ALL Muslims the way they did. It is high time however for the muslim clerics in this country to condemn the actions of the violent strains of Isalm and quit trying to create an absurd moral quilivance that is laughable.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:03:36 PM PST
by
Leto
To: Leto
Make that Mullah, not Mussah, OOPS.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:18:04 PM PST
by
Leto
To: DonQ
I agree with everything you said.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:19:44 PM PST
by
Sparta
To: Leto
I'm not aware that Falwell ever said anything about 'all' muslims. This idea that you must avoid characterizing 'all' people is a trick which prevents us from making relevant observations about culture, people and religions.
For example the number of nazis or communists who took up cudgels must have been small in comparision to the masses of lawful members. Yet it would be ridiculious for me to characterize nazism or bolshevism as being peaceful movements hijacked by a few extremists. Any intelligent analysis of nazism or communism must examine how those movements generated the capacity for organized terror, even if proportially small in comparison to the 'good' members.
It is entirely relevant and legitimate to examine how the doctrine and history of jihad in islam gives rise to terror. It is legitimate to analyze the theology and sociology of the transmission of terror. Sorry Colin, sorry W. We don't believe you on this one.
To: Dialup Llama
There are significent differences between the Sunni's Shiite, Wahaibbi(?)and other sects of Islam. It is reasonible to recognize these.
Islam needs reform, as has been pointed out there has been no moderating reformation as has taken place with Christanity.
I think that Bush and Powell are trying to fight a rhetorical war and not cede the field to the Islamic extremist. I would view this more as Propaganda, war is waged on many fronts. Robertson and Falwell are being used as fodder for Propaganda by the Islamic extremist.
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posted on
11/19/2002 3:36:14 PM PST
by
Leto
To: Argus
Ibrahim Hooper is the equivalent of Joseph Goebbels. Great answer.
Unfortunately, the "big lie" works.
To: Dialup Llama
Seems that their 'invention' of algebra was a fluke given their love of personalistic and subjective logics. They couldn't make any progress with the great philosophy they stole from the Eastern Church because it couldn't be squared with their irrational "revelation." It's no accident that Aquinas provided the great synthesis and not Avicenna or Averhoes.
To: Leto
Falwell and Robertson, were wrong IMHO for trying the characterize ALL Muslims the way they did. They did?
I only heard that Falwell called Mohammed a terrorist, which he was.
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"They're the equivalent of our Osama bin Laden," said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), in an interview with WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg. Ignorant statements like this help explain why Muslim dominated societies are so stunted and lag far behind the rest of the world.
This man is an idiot who's completely lost his moral compass.
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posted on
11/19/2002 5:03:59 PM PST
by
Jorge
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The White House did not respond by presstime to Mr. Hooper's comments comparing the top Christian leaders to the world's most notorious terrorist.
President Bush & Colin Powell were pretty quick to criticize the "Christian Right." I expect equal censure of Hooper.
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posted on
11/19/2002 5:13:40 PM PST
by
k2blader
To: Tumbleweed_Connection
To: steve-b
Name them & offer evidence or reveal yourself a liar.
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posted on
11/19/2002 5:17:13 PM PST
by
k2blader
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