Posted on 11/17/2002 5:08:05 PM PST by Commie Basher
Since when is a growing baby part of a woman's "body"? If it is then why not allow her to murder the child after it is born? Extend the logic and I should have the right to kill anyone as long as they are inside my home...based on my "sovreignty over my own property".
I used to have some respect for Libertarians, but no longer. They are revoltingly misguided and selfish.
This is one of the ten most stupid things I have ever read. Libertarians must be stopped. So funds should be spared to destroy their insane crusade.
The GOP has only itself to blame, bullsh*ting to everyone how conservative they are and voting like democrats or caving in to them.
Non-aggression isn't pacifism. The libertarians I know are far and away the most enthusiastic gun owners of any political affiliation. They buy'em, use'em, and then buy more. Their general principle is that they don't start the fight, but they sure as hell are going to finish it.
I know a lot of anti-gun republicans, or at least republicans who aren't particularly enthusiastic about people with weapons. Libertarians, for all their faults, are the quintessential weapon nuts. It is part of their ideology.
The only similarity is that both believe we shouldn't have been in the Near East in the first place, a position the Founding Fathers were in total agreement with (read Washington's farewell address, and his advice about staying out of foreign wars).
So ... electing Democrats makes you an enemy of AMERICA? So then, those tens of millions of Americans who vote Democrat are enemies of AMERICA? A TRUE AMERICAN votes Republican?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Wanna allow smoking in your private bar? Sell guns in your store? Require a dress code for employees, even skirts for women? Only want to rent to people who live by your moral code? All permited -- for you and for those you disagree with.
Seems you're yet another Republican smoking reefers. War on Islam? Even Bush Jr. says we're not at war with Islam. Or are you accusing Bush of lying?
It's not -- and doesn't have to be. The fetus is in her sovereign body. And she's expelling it.
Well, I know quite a few sci-fi folk, professionals and fans, and as best I can tell, the vast majority have no problem with the term sci-fi, Harlan Ellison notwithstanding.
Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.
When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?
And it would be very very easy to supply a large number of such quotes.
Now I grant you that, although the majority of libertarians are opposed to the War on Terror & War on Islam, That a smaller faction of libertarians is in fact supporting our government. One is now on the city council I think of Leadville, CO but I can't recall his name.
To CommieBasher-"Republican smoking reefers"?? Please, that exposes your absurdity. As to the War on Islam - true Bush does not call it that - and in fact defends Islam the religion. But consider: "War on Terror" does not compute. Terror is a tactic, not a person or group. You might say instead that we war on Islamic terrorists. But check out the polls on Mideast Arabs. The majority hate America, either think that 9/11 was a Mossad action or if UBL did it then he is a hero. No, I think this is Crusades II, except that Chistendom is gone and now it is just Western Civ.
Our foreign policy has been insane for decades. It was only a matter of time until Americans would have to suffer personally for it. It is a terrible tragedy of life that the innocent so often have to suffer for the sins of the guilty.
When will we learn that we can't allow our politicians to bully the world without someone bullying back eventually?"
And exactly how are these comments untrue?? And, of course, have nothing whatsoever with supporting the "War against Jihadism". They apply DIRECTLY to my (and Harry Brown's) point, that if we had stayed out of foreign wars in the first place, 9/11 would probably never have happened. Now that it HAS happened, however, it is up to us to finish it.
My take on this is that the critical juncture for staying out of foreign wars happened with World War I. If we had simply stayed out of THAT one, the probability is that Communism in the Soviet Union would never have happened, nor would Nazism in Germany, nor would jihadism in the Middle East, nor would 9/11. Simply put, we got suckered by the British into getting in to that one on their side--we really had no stake in WWI.
That said, the genie is out of the bottle, and we have no choice but to try to put it back in.
It seems transparent to me that these quotes have everything to do with the "war against Jihadism." You also blame America for 9/11. So is Chomsky your hero? This is exactly why I ditched the libertarians.
I don't know what to say about your comments that the road to hell started with WWI. I'd agree that the US would have been better off to have stayed out of it. But how would that mean that Communism and/or 9/11 would not have happened?
BTW I want to stay out of "foreign entanglements" also. It is just a matter of where to draw the line. I opposed the first Gulf War. It was not incumbent on us to save Kuwait. And even if Iraq had prevailed they still would want to sell their oil.
The current conflict however is very very different. We are in WWIV whether we like it or not. We were attacked and will continue to be attacked. To suppose that, if we just become less aggressive that the Muslims will love us is a delusion. Dude, they want to conquer the world and convert it to Islam.
Small-"l" libertarians hold certain priniciples and generally vote republican.
Libertarian candidates (the Libertarian Party) tend to be pro-drug, pro-porn nutcases whose idea of freedom is getting high and laid.
But there is a spectrum with druggie anarchists at one end and social/economic conservatives at the other end. The Libertarian Party hierarchy tends to favor the former.
Would we notice the difference in those areas. The murder of babies is legal now, even while being born - one of the things on which I strongly disagree with the LP.
Now do you really think legalizing drugs, porn and prostitution would make it any more rampant. I don't see how.
Not supporting the LP, but just asking how you think their stand on these issues would make a lot of difference.
If you you really think our government is really, really trying to do something about these evils, then you have to admit they are totally loosing the war. Personaly, I don't think they are trying
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