Bits Of History Suggest Utah Is Location Of Mythic Aztlan

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 11-17-2002 | Tim Sullivan

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

Actually most Mexicans are mostly of Indian decent with some European blood. The elite are mostly European and discriminate against those who are mostly Indian. However that doesn't ligitimize taking over Utah or the South West because they came from there. That is long past and they moved to Mexico of their own chosing before white men set foot on these shores. Not that it should make any differance either.

[Elsie]

Yup!

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[Tax-chick]

It seemed funny when I wrote it, but it was late and I was tired :-). I was thinking it would be nice if all of us could just claim a piece of property that gave us a "mythic feeling of being at home." I have real strong feelings about a 5000 sq.ft. house in Southern Hills ...

[drstevej]

***Rodriguez says all that migration is most significant for Mexican Americans, and for the thousands of people now moving from Mexico to the United States, because it affords them and subsequent generations an answer when someone says, "go back where you came from."***

Here's the agenda.

***"Some don't believe [Aztlan] was true, like Atlantis or the Garden of Eden," says Roger Blomquist, a doctoral student at the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. "But I'm convinced it's in Utah.***

Interesting. Joseph Smith was convinced the Garden of Eden was in Missouri.

[Wrigley]

He compares the concept of Aztlan as a sacred land of harmony with that of Zion in the Mormon tradition. The similarities, he says, show that both cultures are searching for a common goal. Sol-rzano calls his Utah adaptation of Aztlan "Utaztlan."

Here's the line that made me laugh. Myth taken as truth.

[machman]

Hays-Gilpin believes that people speaking a proto-Uto-Aztecan language domesticated maize in central Mexico more than 5,000 years ago, and consequently spread north to an area of the American West that could have included Utah. Out of that multitude of cultures, some groups could have migrated south to northern Mexico, and some of those could have, as she says, "moved to the Valley of Mexico and subjugated some of the confused and bedraggled remnants of the latest 'regime change.' "

Let's face it, people moved north, south, east, west, back north, turned east, yada yada yada. This is what humans have done for countless thousands of years.

If they really want to find the "homeland", they need to go back to asia.

[drstevej]

***This concept resonates with Utah Division of Indian Affairs Director Forrest Cuch, a member of the Northern Ute Tribe, who remembers his grandmother telling him his people came from the south. Could the Utes and the Aztecs' ancestors also have lived in close contact in modern-day Utah? ***

If Forrest's grandma says it happened, that settles it for me.

[ZULU]

This jerk digs up a map made by a Spaniard in the 1700's which supposedly pinpoints the location of the Aztec homeland from which they migrated sometime prior to the 1400's and accepts this as fact?????

Since the Aztecs had no historical records in the sense that we employ that term or even in the sense that people like the Ancient Egyptians or Greeks had historical records, we are supposed to belief this???

Give me a break!!

I think Aztlan is REALLY in Iraq, somewhere around Bagdad.
I found an "old map" by an American historian drafted in 2002 which proves it!!!

Should I send this dingbat a copy free of charge??

[ZULU]

This jerk digs up a map made by a Spaniard in the 1700's which supposedly pinpoints the location of the Aztec homeland from which they migrated sometime prior to the 1400's and accepts this as fact?????

Since the Aztecs had no historical records in the sense that we employ that term or even in the sense that people like the Ancient Egyptians or Greeks had historical records, we are supposed to belief this???

Give me a break!!

I think Aztlan is REALLY in Iraq, somewhere around Bagdad.
I found an "old map" by an American historian drafted in 2002 which proves it!!!

Should I send this dingbat a copy free of charge??

[Polybius]

Modern day Mexicans are primarily the descendants of the original conquerors of the Aztecs. Odd that they are claiming the banner of the Aztecs as if they and the Aztecs are one and the same ("La Raza").

Hernando Cortez sailed from the island of Cuba to conquer Mexico in 1519 with 11 ships, 508 soldiers, and 16 horses.

Upon landing in Mexico, Cortez had a considerable amount of help in conquering the Aztec Empire from other MesoAmerican Indian tribes who were sick and tired of being dominated and oppressed by the Aztecs.

Although we of Cuban descent are honored that some may believe that 508 of our ancestors were studly enough to mate so frequently as to change the entire gene pool of a few million MesoAmericans, the fact remains that most Mexicans are Mestizo of predominantly MesoAmerican blood.

< Bravo Sierra> Of course, I, personally, with 507 others just like me, could perform such a feat, but most of my cousins can not even come close. < /Bravo Sierra>

The current Mexican demographics breakdown is:

Population: 90 million
30% indigenous (Pure Indian)
60% mestizo (Mixed)
9% white

It matters not, however, who was where before they were conquered by whoever. In History, once you are conquered, you're outta there unless you conqer it back.

[fishtank]

Yep.

My initial reaction to the article was:

Mormon mythology meets the Mexican (im)migration.

[JudyB1938]

5000 sq ft? Who's going to clean it? :0)

[JudyB1938]

It matters not, however, who was where before they were conquered by whoever. In History, once you are conquered, you're outta there unless you conqer it back.

Just thought your comment needed repeated.

[Arkinsaw]

Population: 90 million 30% indigenous (Pure Indian) 60% mestizo (Mixed) 9% white

I have some amount of Cherokee blood in me. That does not change the fact that I am a descendant of those who pretty much conquered the Cherokee. For me to demand my "homeland" in northern Georgia and declare myself a special race would be pretty silly. Just as silly as Mestizo Mexicans claiming that they are the rightful owners of "Aztlan" or are "La Raza"/THE RACE. Thats my point.

[Arkinsaw]

Actually most Mexicans are mostly of Indian decent with some European blood. The elite are mostly European and discriminate against those who are mostly Indian. However that doesn't ligitimize taking over Utah or the South West because they came from there. That is long past and they moved to Mexico of their own chosing before white men set foot on these shores. Not that it should make any differance either.

As I responded to another, I have some level of Cherokee blood. For me to declare myself a special race ("La Raza") and demand restoration of my northern Georgia homeland would be silly. The claim for "Aztlan" is similar.

[billbears]

God bless them and God bless Dixie

[tracer]

I'll bet that they already do -- and that they won't.....

[FITZ]

Acting upon a command from a spirit, these people left Aztlan and went south until they came upon an eagle devouring a serpent in the present-day location of Mexico City

It doesn't matter where the Aztecs first were, they were told by this spirit to keep on moving until they saw the eagle with the snake in it's mouth sitting on a cactus and that was where they were to stay. That is the symbol on the Mexican flag. The Chicanos don't know "their" own history.

[FITZ]

For me to declare myself a special race ("La Raza") and demand restoration of my northern Georgia

It'd be just as silly for Americans of European descent to go over to Europe and insist they have some kind of rights over there. Maybe I'll go to Ireland and try that.