You type a lot, but don't say anything.
Your attempt to discredit the vast number of esteemed scientists, doctors, microbiologists, biophysicists, biochemists, and other highly respected individuals that have put forth evidence that fluoride IS a biohazard and should be avoided,
OK, lets have a contest. He who posts the most number of scientists that agree with their side wins. OK?
And that is BECAUSE NaCl is a necessary NUTRIENT.
BUT IT'S A TOXIN!!! How can you let yourself consume it! How can something that is a toxin be good for you at the same time?
. Fluorine has NO nutritional value, and IS simply a toxin.
Fluoride have been proven for over 50 years to be useful in preventing decay. That make is a valuable nutrient.
It is NOT excreted,
THAT IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE. Fluoride is constantly excreted in urine.
You are a charlatan and a huckster.
See the bald-faced lie above.
Bwahahaha. You've GOT to be kidding me. Your little lecture on fluorine ions did not coherently state anything. A fluorine ion is a fluorine ion, AND? And WHAT?
You said in your previous post:
Why don't you try posting some link to that. IF that is true, it is most likely BECAUSE of fluoridation.
You are lying again. Fluoride is a naturally occurring element, the 13th most common. And it is commonly found at levels HIGHER than the adjusted levels in treated water.
Searching very quickly, here are some numbers from New Hampshire. Note that they specify that the levels are NATURALLY OCCURRING:
| Concentration Codes in mg/L (Blank) = greater than 2.0 * = 1.5 to 1.9 ** = 1.0 to 1.4 |
| Albany Golden Oak MHP* Allenstown Alton Amherst Antrim Bartlett Barnstead Barrington Bedford Bennington Bethlehem Bow Bradford Brentwood Bridgewater Bristol Campton Candia Chester Conway |
Croyden Croyden Vill. Sch. Danbury Derry Effingham Epping Franconia Freedom Gilford Gilmanton Grantham Hampton Hamstead Hancock Hillsboro Holderness Hopkinton Hudson Jackson Jefferson Kingston Laconia Lempster Lincoln Londonderry Loudon Lyme Lyndeboro Madison Meredith Middleton Milford
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Moultonborough Academy School** Central Sch.** Elementary School** Far Echo Kilnwood on Kant.* Paradise Shores Harborside* Swissvale* Wentworth Acres New Boston Newbury New Hampton New Ipswich New London Newton New Durham Nottingham Ossipee Peterborough Plaistow Plymouth Rindge Rochester Rumney Sunapee Sutton Stratford Swanzey Tamworth Temple Thornton Tuftonboro Waterville Valley Weare Webster Wentworth Westmoreland Whitefield Wilton Wolfeboro |
Now, please tell me how this can be such a terrible poison when it is present in almost ALL water supplies?
I doubt you'd find ONE reputable scientist that agrees with you. I'm sure you might find some on the ADA payroll and some at the aluminum factories that might back you, but that is the ONLY support you would find.
In other words, NEUTRAL parties would NOT support your position, as MOST if not ALL medical researchers, biophysicists, microbiologists, and public health officials KNOW that fluoride is hazardous and totally unnecessary for bodily functions and mechanisms.
FL: And that is BECAUSE NaCl is a necessary NUTRIENT.
TomB: BUT IT'S A TOXIN!!! How can you let yourself consume it! How can something that is a toxin be good for you at the same time?
Boy you ARE dense. It is a NUTRIENT numnuts. Are you too lazy to click on the link I provided that explains that is is ESSENTIAL for vital body functions? Go back to the link I posted and READ IT. Here, I'll provide AGAIN in case you are too LAZY to go back and find the link in the previous post.
Ions: The Body's Electrical Energy Source
TomB: Fluoride have been proven for over 50 years to be useful in preventing decay. That make is a valuable nutrient.
It's been PROVEN that is is USELESS and actually CAUSES motling of the teeth. It also makes teeth more brittle leading to cracked teeth. In fact, there IS no direct correlation between the application of fluoride and fewer cavities. It IS a fact that the frequency of cavities went down PRIOR to the introduction of fluoride into water systems. And it IS a fact that the body does NOT use fluorine in ANY cell function or process. It IS simply a toxin.
FL: Fluorine has NO nutritional value, and IS simply a toxin. It is NOT excreted, and due to its highly reactive nature, bonds with calcium in our bodies.
TomB: THAT IS A COMPLETE AND TOTAL LIE. Fluoride is constantly excreted in urine.
Although I DID say flourine rather than fluoride, it IS true that flourides are excreted. In fact, flourine ions are as well. I was simply working off the top of my head and was assuming FLOURINE IONS were NOT excreted. But I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong. So yes, both fluorides and fluorine ions are excreted. In fact, here's a link to that very information..
So yes, I made a mistake. HOWEVER, in relation to some of YOUR statements, which ARE bald faced LIES, it is quite an innocent oversight.
If you ARE seriously interested in the process of fluoride excretion, as well as the health effects of ingested fluoride, why don't you read up on the subject. I'll give you a link in case you are interested..
Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride
See the bald-faced lie above.
Again, you are a charlatan and a huckster.
TomB: As I pointed out, there is no such thing as "calcium fluoride in water". It dissociates into Ca and Fl. You are implying that there is some kind of difference between natural fluoride and added fluoride.
From Flouride Fact Sheet:
The fluoride naturally found in water is calcium fluoride (CaF2 ) as fluorine has a strong affinity to calcium. When water is artificially fluoridated sodium fluoride (NaF), sodium silicofluoride or hydrofluosilic acid is added. Because calcium bonds relatively strongly with the fluoride ion, the fluoride ions are much less available than in the artificially-produced fluoride. The artificial compounds are more toxic because they are more soluble in water and the fluoride dissociates from the compound. In the body this fluoride becomes the "most exclusive bone seeking element, owing to its affinity for calcium phosphate". Studies have shown that the lethal dose of NaF is approximately 50 times smaller than that of CaF2 (naturally-occurring fluoride).1
So AGAIN you prove your ignorance. That or you are simply LYING.
TomB: It is in practically ALL water supplies, and it is at or over the recommened limits in around 30-40% of the country.
FL: Why don't you try posting some link to that. IF that is true, it is most likely BECAUSE of fluoridation.
TomB: You are lying again. Fluoride is a naturally occurring element, the 13th most common. And it is commonly found at levels HIGHER than the adjusted levels in treated water.
There you go with YOUR lies again. For ONE, your link doesn't work, so I can't even verify if the figures you listed in your chart are in fact related to NATURALLY occuring fluoride.
Secondly, NATURAL fluoride in the form of calcium fluoride is NOT as soluable as the artificial fluorides that they use to fluoridate water supplies. As such, the EPA limit for NATURALLY OCCURING fluoride is 4.0 mg/L.
From the list you provide, we can't see any level over 2.0 mg/L, as they simply don't list the value if the concentration IS over 2.0 mg/L.
From The Fluoride Debate
Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, the EPA has established drinking water standards for a number of substances, including fluoride, in order to protect the public's health. There are several areas in the United States where the ground water contains higher than optimal levels of naturally occurring fluoride. Therefore, federal regulations were established to require that naturally occurring fluoride levels in a community water supply not exceed a concentration of 4.0 mg/L.202 Under the Safe Drinking Water Act, this upper limit is the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for fluoride. Under the MCL standard, if the naturally occurring level of fluoride in a public water supply exceeds the MCL (4.0 mg/L for fluoride), the water supplier is required to lower the level of fluoride below the MCL. This process is called defluoridation.
And FINALLY, you pick an area that DOES have naturally occuring fluoride in water. You did NOT supply ANY evidence that 30-40% of the nation's water supplies exceed the limit, you did NOT show this to be true in naturally occuring cases, and you did NOT show that fluoridation is NOT the culprit if your figures are correct.
In fact, you are being purposely misleading and deceptive.
As already stated, naturally occuring fluoride does NOT dissolve as readily as artifical fluorides, and it is 50 times less toxic. It is also EXCRETED more readily as it IS less soluable.