[HairOfTheDog]

Sigh; for this particular discussion I think this splits an excessively fine hair.

It is not a fine hair at all. It is the crux of the matter. Whether witches are real. Whether they can actually cast spells and perform magic.

I do not believe they can. I think it is fantasy. I think I have a pretty good grasp on the difference between fantasy and reality, and I can see that not all people can define that difference.... even adults.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Look... whether they can "request" or "order" the devil (or its proxy) to do something is pretty much moot to the question "is witchcraft real." Sigh.

[Jael]

Listen, you can say you don't believe, ok. But God certainly makes it clear that the powers of the occult are real. These people do not believe in Satan, but they are witches, whether you think I am making this up or not.

I am not vouching for any power they may or may not have. If they do have any, it's is from Satan, whether they realize that or not.

But they are very real.