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GOP to Pro-lifers: 'Thanks for Your Votes, Now Get Lost!'
NewsMax ^ | 11/15/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 11/15/2002 1:38:38 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Republican leaders are jabbing a thumb in the eyes of pro-lifers whose votes were largely responsible for the GOP victory in the November 5, elections, an angry Ken Connor charges.

Connor, president of the Family Research Council, ripped into the Republican congressional leadership for not standing firmly against the bankruptcy bill which contains Sen. Chuck Schumer's hostile pro-abortion amendment.

"The GOP is saying to pro-lifers, 'Thanks for your votes, now get lost!'" Connor said.

"Instead of rewarding pro-life Americans for giving their votes overwhelmingly to Republican candidates in last week's election, the GOP leadership is jabbing a thumb in their eye barely a week after the election at the behest of the well-heeled business wing of the party.

"Pro-lifers are asking themselves why they bothered when the GOP appears intent on sticking them with a gratuitous anti-life law that would expose peaceful anti-abortion protestors to financial ruin," Connor continued.

"Meanwhile, as GOP leaders ram through the Schumer amendment, pro-lifers are being told there is not enough time in the lame duck session to get a Senate vote on the bill banning partial-birth abortion the House passed last July.

According to Connor, The Schumer amendment "effectively says, 'If you are a pro-life protester and you wind up with a money judgment against you for engaging in what we regard as constitutionally protected speech and activity, you are not going to be able to discharge that debt in bankruptcy,'

"The effect of that is to create a disfavored class for purposes of punishing politically incorrect speech, because the only group that is being singled out for this kind of treatment is pro-life protestors.

"It's imperative that the GOP leadership put the same muscle behind the partial-birth abortion ban as they appear to be giving to the bankruptcy bill."

Once again, the GOP leadership is proving that they simply don't know who their real friends are.


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To: laconic
The bill was defeated BECAUSE IT CONTAINED THE ABORTION PROVISION -- read this morning's Wall Street Journal; what is this man screaming about?

I get the impression that he's complaining that Trent Lott didn't hold a noon press conference with a brass band to announce that the GOP will kill the bill because of the abortion-protestor provisions.

Of course, the people who attack libertarians for failing to support the GOP without reservation or complaint will soon be ALL OVER this clown, right?

[crickets]

[owl]

[wind]

41 posted on 11/15/2002 2:11:15 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I think this guy is behind the times. I, too, was angered by news reports that the administration had agreed to compromise with the Dems on the abortion language. But a day or two later, congress voted the bankruptcy bill down. So, either the news reports were false, or they changed their minds, or the rank and file conseratives rebelled against the leadership. I'm not sure which, but in the end they did the right thing.

And as for the libertarian viewpoint, you have to give a little to get a little. If you want gun freedoms and personal freedoms, and lower taxes, and less regulation, you have to deal with conservatives. And most conservatives are pro-life. The strict libertarian line usually gets no more than 2-3% of the vote. If you kick the pro-lifers in the teeth, you will get none of the other things you want.
42 posted on 11/15/2002 2:14:03 PM PST by Cicero
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To: abraxas42
Government control of negative behavior is always a bad idea. Prohibition was stupid. (Certain) guns should be legal. Marijuana should be legal. Abortion should be legal. The government has no right to try to restrict foolish human behavior; it's going to flourish anyway, only less safely and more lucratively for criminals.

So then murder, rape and robbery are ok ?

43 posted on 11/15/2002 2:14:41 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: SwordofTruth

The following is the text of a May 19, 1997 letter from the American Medical Association (AMA), to Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), expressing support for the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HR 1122). Please see also NRLC's May 19 press release, "NRLC Lauds AMA Endorsement."

American Medical Association

May 19, 1997

The Honorable Rick Santorum
United States Senate
120 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Dear Senator Santorum:

The American Medical Association (AMA) is writing to support HR 1122, "The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 1997," as amended. Although our general policy is to oppose legislation criminalizing medical practice or procedure, the AMA has supported such legislation where the procedure was narrowly defined and not medically indicated. HR 1122 now meets both those tests.

Our support of this legislation is based on three specific principles. First, the bill would allow a legitimate exception where the life of the mother was endangered, thereby preserving the physician's judgment to take any medically necessary steps to save the life of the mother. Second, the bill would clearly define the prohibited procedure so that it is clear on the face of the legislation what act is to be banned. Finally, the bill would give any accused physician the right to have his or her conduct reviewed by the State Medical Board before a criminal trial commenced. In this manner, the bill would provide a formal role for valuable medical peer determination in any enforcement proceeding.

The AMA believes that with these changes, physicians will be on notice as to the exact nature of the prohibited conduct.

Thank you for the opportunity to work with you towards restricting a procedure we all agree is not good medicine.

Sincerely,


P. John Seward, MD
Executive Vice President
American Medical Association

More PBA Information | Home Page


44 posted on 11/15/2002 2:15:40 PM PST by jwalsh07
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It appears that ol' Carl and Ken should pay more attention to what is going on. But then all Limbacher does is parrot news releases.
New Bankruptcy Bill Clears House

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sharp partisan differences over abortion have doomed prospects that the lame-duck Congress will pass a bill making it harder for Americans to shed their debts.

In a marathon session until early Friday, House Republicans sent the Democratic-controlled Senate a stripped-down bankruptcy bill without a controversial abortion provision.


45 posted on 11/15/2002 2:16:18 PM PST by deport
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To: 3AngelaD
Here are excerpts from the last thread on this bill...

Sharp partisan differences over abortion have doomed prospects that the lame-duck Congress will pass a bill making it harder for Americans to shed their debts.

In a marathon session until early Friday, House Republicans sent the Democratic-controlled Senate a stripped-down bankruptcy bill without a controversial abortion provision.

The Senate, still grappling with homeland security legislation and poised to leave for the year, is unlikely to even consider the bill.

In the House, Republicans revolted against language that would have have prohibited anti-abortion protesters from seeking shelter through bankruptcy laws to avoid paying court-imposed fines.

Senate Democrats had inserted language into the compromise that would ban abortion protesters from using bankruptcy to avoid paying court fines for blocking clinics if they knowingly violated the law.

The anti-abortion Republicans blocked the bill in July because of that provision. They did so again Thursday, saying the law would be used against even legal abortion protests.

New Bankruptcy Bill Clears House

46 posted on 11/15/2002 2:16:20 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Rabid pro-lifers are equally as bad as the abortion-on-demand crowd. Neither side will get their way, so why not concentrate on compromise. 1st trimester abortion-on-demand is here to stay but common-sense legislation such as providing for parental notification and banning partial birth abortions is about all the general populace will ever buy. Overreaching on abortion is a certain recipe for putting the Dems back in power. It's better to concentrate on economic issues, which would garner support from big numbers of moderate Dems.
47 posted on 11/15/2002 2:17:03 PM PST by doctor noe
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To: Cicero
If you kick the pro-lifers in the teeth, you will get none of the other things you want.

I don't think an absolute abortion ban will ever be viable (so to speak), but I don't have a problem to restricting it to the first trimester (before the cerebral cortex, which is the nexus of what makes a person a person, is well-formed).

48 posted on 11/15/2002 2:18:05 PM PST by steve-b
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Why don't you learn a little about which you speak. Bush has not stopped this ban. Dasshole has.

Why don't you read what I wrote before you make a fool of yourself?

I never said that Bush stopped this ban. However, he did have an opportunity to rally congress to pass this ban in his first 100 days of office when the Republicans controlled the House and Senate, but he didn't. He waited then until it was too late.

49 posted on 11/15/2002 2:20:02 PM PST by SwordofTruth
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To: 3AngelaD
According to the rabid pro lifers, everything is related to abortion. They are rapidly becoming irrelevant and cultlike.
50 posted on 11/15/2002 2:21:50 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: TBP
I'm a pro-life conservative. Please read the rest of the posts in this thread. The bill was defeated with a large republican vote.

We are not being, nor are we going to be taken for granted. Bush will push this issue as far as politically possible. He will push it in increments--and possibly after winning some issues that the independents are more comfortable with than abortion. I hope he can push it a long way. But the worst thing that could happen for our cause would be for Bush and the rest of the Republicans to commit quick political suicide by letting the RATS newt us.

The RATS have had 70 years to mess things up. Roe vs Wade is only one of many grievous wounds bleeding in the side of our country. It's going to take more than 2 years to fix things. Let's work together to build a power base that will last for 50 years so we can take back America from these people--and keep it. If we don't work together, we are doing Hillary Clinton's work and the work of Planned Parenthood.

Instant gratification followed by angry hysterics when we don't get our way immediately will accomplish nothing for our cause. NOTHING!

51 posted on 11/15/2002 2:24:01 PM PST by ffrancone
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Perhaps the pro-life extremists would like to start their own party and wonder in the wasteland of obscurity.

OR-perhaps they would enjoy making steady, slow progress in trying to change the attitude of this nation regarding this issue.

52 posted on 11/15/2002 2:24:43 PM PST by zarf
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
According to the rabid pro lifers, everything is related to abortion. They are rapidly becoming irrelevant and cultlike.

I suppose you think God almighty is irrelevant, right?

God is pro-life, and I can assure he's not irrelevant.

53 posted on 11/15/2002 2:24:55 PM PST by SwordofTruth
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To: Eagle Eye
"The GOP has a habit of expecting loyalty but not returning it. "

Well it has always seemed to me that the GOP candidates do a good job of pandering to the pro-life group and getting them all riled up to vote for them, and of course get their donations. But when they get into office they never really seem to do much to promote the pro-life agenda.

I think the truth of the matter is that the leadership understands that the pro-life position is a no win position. But there are enough people out there that has this as a single issue that it is still worthwhile to pander to them during the campaign stage and then ignore them until the next election cycle.

54 posted on 11/15/2002 2:26:50 PM PST by Kerberos
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To: SwordofTruth
Take a deep breath sword. Politics will govern the approach to the issue of abortion, not morality.

Sad? Maybe....but it's a fact you'll have to deal with.

55 posted on 11/15/2002 2:27:48 PM PST by zarf
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To: abraxas42
Disgusting, isn't it? That anti-choice forces believe they have a right to be equated with the mainstream GOP...

You are confused .. it is the Demonrats who have an identity crisis. Your failed attempt at manufacturing one for the GOP has failed. Go back to your den of trolls where they dine on the flesh of the unborn.

Government control of negative behavior is always a bad idea. Prohibition was stupid. (Certain) guns should be legal. Marijuana should be legal. Abortion should be legal. The government has no right to try to restrict foolish human behavior; it's going to flourish anyway, only less safely and more lucratively for criminals.

What about foolish behavior such as murder ... or slavery .. or pedophilia? Should the government try to restrict those behaviors? I mean, God forbid the slave-trade be lucrative ! (insert sarcasm)
56 posted on 11/15/2002 2:28:41 PM PST by Neo_objectivist
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Your post is so filled with falsehoods I suspect your agenda. Such "conservatives" as you would produce a party capable of getting as many votes as the Libertarians i.e. not enough to elect an alderman in Chicago.

Show me any of these so-called "falsehoods." Do you deny that the GOP routinely turns its back on conservatives and even under Republicans, government gets bigger, more expensive, and more intrusive?

My tent is big enough to include anyone who is for limited governmetn, who is for the goal of making the government smaller, cheaper, less intrusive, and more effective in its few legitimate functions.

These "conservatives" have no clue about politics or how to effectuate change. They can and should be ignored since they are clueless lamebrains.

The Republicans have no desire to effectuate change. They just increase government.

You have to compromise along the way, but we need to start moving things in our direction. The GOP seems disinclined to do that, and part of the reason, IMO, is that Republicans know conservatives will vote for them no matter how liberal their policies get.

Too bad your candidates didn't win on Nov. 5.

Actually, many of them DID.

57 posted on 11/15/2002 2:29:32 PM PST by TBP
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To: justanotherfreeper
Mary Ann Glendon admits she isn't a bankruptcy expert, and doesn't know the other parts of the code as may be applicable to penalties under FACE.
58 posted on 11/15/2002 2:30:23 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Judge by judge, appointment by appointment, precedent by precedent, we undermine the permanent liberal establishment. PBA is the first tiny hole in the dike, an easy and popular win. More will follow: Parental notification, protection for doctors' and nurses' rights of conscience, honest studies on the long-term medical and psychological harm done, defunding political machines masquerading as charities, prosecutions for shielding child rapers.

What good is passing any one law if we have the kinds of courts who will ignore laws at will? Reframe the debate, expose the REAL extremists, rebuild an honest judiciary. Win the war, not the battle.

Our overreaching now is Hillary!'s last hope.

59 posted on 11/15/2002 2:33:15 PM PST by Norman Conquest
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To: Cacophonous
Thank you.
60 posted on 11/15/2002 2:35:15 PM PST by TBP
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