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To: Dialup Llama
You are wrong! I see these people day in and day out here and they are just as American as I am. They were not born here but so a lot of people were not born here and are American.

You cannot tell me what I know to be true! They are not out to change my way of life and I resent your statement when you don't even know these people!

That's the problem which I stated -- you cannot say an entire group of people are to blame for most bad things that happen -- blame the people that are guilty but don't condemn everyone.

Were all Germans to blame when it came to Hitler? How about the Germans in this Country?

Are all white conservative Southern guys KKK supporters? Of course not!

See how ludicrous it is blame an entire group of people because of the actions of some members that use the religion or anything else like a hood as a shield!

10 posted on 11/15/2002 12:19:35 PM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
Muslims are usually nice when they are the minority. Show me any majority Islamic country that doesn't persecute minority religions. Explain why Hitler's Mein Kampf is the #1 best selling book in Arab countries. Explain why zero Muslims side with Israel's right to exist.

When they say, "Islam is Peace", they are defining peace, not Islam.

14 posted on 11/15/2002 12:26:24 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: PhiKapMom
You obviously know little about the Muslim Religion or its history.

"America and the Free World now faces a plague of well-armed radical Islamists, dedicated to the destruction of all non-Muslim societies. Wherever the Muslims gain ‘critical mass’, the Islamists go from quiet, seemingly peace-loving people to violent adversaries of their host countries. They create Islamic organizations that use the democratic process of law to undercut the society and nation that has taken them in. It is their belief that they are mandated by Koranic Law to convert all nations into one global Islamic Ummah (nation)."

I hope you see, before they reach critical mass here, what they actually believe, and what they pretend to believe. Ask your Muslim friends what kind of music they like, what their favorite Sulpture or dance is. Ask them if they believe the world would be better under Shia law. Then find out what Shia law is.

Read the article here: Rotten to Its Core

Hank

56 posted on 11/15/2002 1:17:11 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: PhiKapMom
I see these people day in and day out here and they are just as American as I am. They were not born here but so a lot of people were not born here and are American.

It is NOT about people. No one has said that all Arabs are bad people.

But it is about their religion. What Robertson and others have said is READ THE KORAN. The religion made up by Mohammed is a vicious and militaristic religion -- and always has been. And that is the problem.

When people are raised on studying nothing but that evil foolishness, they come out wanting to drive planes into skyscrapers or blow up nightclubs in order to collect their 72 virgins. Yes, the people are gullible to believe that nonsense, but probably no more so than the Americans who believe the Democrats. In any event, we cannot hate people for being gullible. We have to intelligently hate the evil which is being force fed into them.

The evil is in the religion, not in the people. What Robertson and others are -- quite respectfully -- pointing out is that we MUST hate the evil which is motivating these killers, not the people themselves.

That is not only a Christian message, it is a wise one as well.

62 posted on 11/15/2002 1:25:05 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: PhiKapMom
how ludicrous it is blame an entire group of people because of the actions of some members that use the religion or anything else like a hood as a shield!

Right you are, mom.

63 posted on 11/15/2002 1:26:41 PM PST by RJCogburn
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To: PhiKapMom
>See how ludicrous it is blame an entire group of people because of the actions of some members that use the religion or anything else like a hood as a shield!

The reasoning here is a bit over the top. For fear of labelling an entire group, I cannot make salient points about a religion and culture. I think not.

Rather than try to remake islam into the image of neoprotestant Christianity, look at what muslims actually believe, say and do!

Yes I know the Persian professor down the street and Casey Kasem and all that. But you can't take these examples (who themselves may be refugees from islamic persecution) and say the Wahabbist infiltrators are like these as well. You give all religion the same benfit of the doubt and ascribe to islam the same good intentions that you ascribe to the buddhist. But what if the most central tenent of a relgion is that you should be enslaved or killed? What then? Should you continue in denial?

75 posted on 11/15/2002 1:51:02 PM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: PhiKapMom
"I see these people day in and day out here and they are just as American as I am."

I'll believe that when I hear them pray/say "Allah bless America." Hasn't happened yet.

You're right about one thing though, there are "moderate" moslems. It's just that they are the ones who either don't believe or don't know their own scriptures that unequivocably instruct them to kill all non-moslems.

The terrorists are the ones who believe and obey the quoran and the hadiths.

183 posted on 11/19/2002 7:35:48 PM PST by nightdriver
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