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To: Spiff; AAABEST; Tancredo Fan
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3 posted on 11/15/2002 8:15:25 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy; holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; ...
I see nothing wrong with the people protecting the nation at all. This administration is doing jack squat about the borders, so it's the duty of the people to take care of business.

Isabel Garcia ought to be in prison... she's one of those Aztlan nut cases. She also works for the Pima County, AZ public defenders office, and runs some sort of anti-American fifth-column outfit called Derechos Humanos.

Just today I have seen news about a Mexican illegal being arrested for rape in Oregon after having been deported several times, and also see that the useless INS has declined to interfere with illegal aliens getting their fake Mexican ID cards after being asked to do so by Tom Tancredo.

If the government won't protect the people, the people themselves should be doing it.

A dead fish rots from the head. Enough.


13 posted on 11/15/2002 9:47:13 AM PST by Tancredo Fan
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Thanks for the ping DB.

These people are doing the job that our government has arrogantly refused to do, protect our borders and our citizens. This is clearly mandated in our constitution and the officials responsible are guilty of nothing less than dereliction of duty.

24 posted on 11/15/2002 10:39:26 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: dirtboy
Thank you for the ping. I am not trying to start another heated discussion, but this is what I think about this.

Audio to the Donahue show:

Link here

We would not be in this situation if the President, the House and the Senate of the United States of America had exercised their constitutional mandate under Article IV Section Four of the United States Constitution which reads in part:

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion...

The word "shall" doesn't reflect the meaning of the words can, may, might, should or any other word other than the word that promises action.  The United States government MUST take action.  It says it WILL take action.  At the present time the Presidency, the House and the Senate of the United States are in breach of their
Constitutional duty as enumerated in the Constitution of the United States, specificly Article IV Section Four.

This breach of the United States Constitution is grounds for any wronged citizen, those with financial losses, to seek legal remedy from the Federal Government.  In actuality all three branches of our government are in violation of our Constitution.  They are allowing our nation to be overrun by another.  The illegal-immigrant from Mexico is a citizen of Mexico, a foreign agent of that nation.  They are not acting on behalf of our nation.  They are not US Citizens.  Their actions as Mexican citizens is in direct violation of our immigration laws.  The government of Mexico has not exherted minimal efforts to stop what is taking place.  By inaction they have given a silent nod to the events that are taking place.  The President of Mexico addresses this issue often.  Not only does he not announce ways to stop the violations of our sovereign borders, he damns our nationals for objecting and not easing the way for his citizens to complete the tast of violating our borders.

This has led to a situation where land owners are having to find ways to remedy this situation on their own.  What started out as an invasion without remedy, is now turning into an invasion with a make shift remedy.  And I'm here to tell you that the same Presidency, House and Senate that over the last thirty years couldn't pull their head out of their ass long enough to address this issue by putting military on the border, will soon within months of the land owners saying enough is enough, put troops on our border.  "Good" you might say.  Not so fast.

There is a better than 50/50 chance they will prevent land owners from taking up arms to stop this invasion.  The troops will be placed on the border so that land owners won't be able to stop this.  And when they get there, they will allow the illegal to pass in the same manner they have for decades.  The border patrol at this time has been ordered not to impede illegals on their way northward.  We have sanctioned open borders.  Does anyone think our federal officials are going to allow land owners to set national policy?  Dream on, if you do.

She said Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever's public friendship with groups like Glenn Spencer's American Patrol, the sheriff's lack of investigation into Roger and Don Barnett's armed detention of illegal entrants and the clear unwillingness on the part of Cochise County Attorney Chris Roll to investigate and prosecute the two brothers have given them credibility and encouraged groups like Texas-based Ranch Rescue and the new Tombstone Militia.

Roger and Don Barnett have been armed while they detained illegals on their property.  They own 22,000 acres of property.  They have arrested over 8,000 illegal alliens.  Not a single illegal has been shot.  That's good.  It also proves that armed borders do not a racist killer make.  These men detain the illegals and the INS agents pick them up.  Roger and Don see the same illegals over and over and over again.  Get the picture?

"To have the official newspaper of the county call on people to take up arms is very dangerous, very frightening. Law enforcement and public officials should be concerned," she said.

To be honest, I share concerns for this situation.  It is despicable that the federal government has neglected this situation to the point that our own law abiding citizens have had to take up arms to protect their own property.  The actions of our federal government on this issue goes against everything that I stand for.  It is inexcuseable!

The Barnetts have between 100 and 200 illegals cross their property every day.  That's just one farm.

Sheriff Dever said frustrations with the federal government's inability to stem the flow of illegal immigration has attracted the attention of a number of groups on all sides of the issue.

While he acknowledged attending and speaking at American Patrol meetings, he said his presence should be construed as being a voice of reason rather than a supporter of particular agendas or methodology.

What has undoubtedly happened, is the Sheriff has instructed these folks how to conduct themselves.  I'm sure he has told them specificly what circumstances they could use lethal force under.  And I hope that they never have to use it.  Only if they are fired on, or it is clear they are in immenent danger of being fired on, should they use their own weapons, and only then against the armed individual.

At least 43 people have joined the Citizens Border Patrol militia since the front page call to arms appeared in the Tombstone Tumbleweed last month - under a headline that read "Enough is Enough!" - and support continues to grow, said Chris Simcox, a former California teacher who is now owner, publisher and editor of the Tombstone weekly.

Yes, enough is enough.  While the federal government takes a whiz on this issue from Washington, D.C., where the peddal hits the metal, folks are having to make the hard decisions for them.

The Barnets have vandelism, theft, threats, property damage and now have been told by the FBI that there is a hit out on them.  The FBI was informed of this by their Mexican counterparts.  Still the federal government plays Rumplestiltkin on the subject.

Simcox isn't shy about using the words "vigilante" and "militia" to describe his plans. He sees both as a patriotic obligation in a time of war and a necessity in light of the federal government's failure to stop the flood of immigrants funneling through Cochise County.

His plan is to put armed, able-bodied militia members on private property near the border to create a presence and a deterrent to illegal border crossers.

"This has nothing to do with the Mexican people per se. . . . It's about stopping uncontrolled immigration," he said. "We want local people, we don't want the Rambos, the mercenaries and soldiers of fortune that some of these groups seem to be made up of."

Folks, I don't like the idea of our citizens taking up arms to defend our borders.  In effect they are taking up arms to defend this nation.  In the time honored tradition of our founding fathers, they have taken a stand.  I do not bear Mexican nationals ill will.  I like to visit Mexico and personally like the people I run into.  And when I'm done visiting, I return home.  I would not dream of overstaying my welcome in Mexico or any other nation.

For the sake of the Mexican nationals how invade our nation, and the nationals who need financial remedy on the Mexican side of the border, it's time for our President, our House of Representatives and our Senate to stand up to El Presidente' Fox and explain to him that it's about G.D. time he take action to better the economic fortunes of his citizens.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

52 posted on 11/15/2002 1:53:48 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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168 posted on 11/18/2002 6:59:06 AM PST by phasma proeliator
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