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Pelosi on The Today Show: "I'm a Conservative Catholic"
The Today Show

Posted on 11/15/2002 4:25:22 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Matt Lauer just completed an interview with Nancy Pelosi. After some standard stuff about her "historic" role as the first woman to lead a congressional party, Lauer asked a a pretty probing question:

"When Republicans chose Newt as their leader, Democrats were quick to say they had gone too far right. Why shouldn't the Republicans now say that in choosing you, the Democrats have gone too far left?"

Pelosi answered by stating that while she represented her district in SF (implying that she was being very liberal in representing a very liberal district), she will lead "right down the center" of the Dem caucus.

She then added the following statement: "When people call me a liberal, I call myself a conservative Catholic."

I had heard Pelosi make the same statement in an interview yesterday, so this clearly seems to be a standard part of her defense to the charge that she's too liberal to lead successfully.

I'm not Catholic, but I have to assume that many true "conservative Catholics" will be upset by hearing Pelosi claim that label. It is hard to imagine an authentic conservative Catholic supporting unrestricted abortion, including partial birth abortion, as does Pelosi.

Pelosi failed to vote to ban PBA even when an exception was included for the life of the mother. I think it is thus fair to categorize her as a pro-abortion extremist. Given that record, to go on national TV and call herself a conservative Catholic seems the height of gall and duplicity.

As a sidenote, Pelosi also trotted out what the Dems have apparently decided to make their new theme: "Safety and Soundness," apparently some combination of national security and economic progress. Instant nominee for the "Lamest Political Slogan of the Decade."


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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I'm not Catholic, but I have to assume that many true "conservative Catholics" will be upset by hearing Pelosi claim that label. It is hard to imagine an authentic conservative Catholic supporting unrestricted abortion, including partial birth abortion, as does Pelosi.

The Catholic church is so weak it doesn't excommunicate members who are clearly heretics. The church has been and will pay the price for this continued inaction.

There are basically two types of heretics; material and formal. One doesn't know the teaching of the church and is in disagreement with it.

The other knows the churches teaching and still persists in holding a contrary view. That's where Pelosi is now and should be thrown out of the church along with thousansds of others.

Remember, the Catholic church wants a gang raped victim who becomes pregnant to carry the baby to birth. No abortion for her allowed. But yet the church bishops and cardinals and pope, allows so-called Catholics like Pelosi to vote for, and encourage partial birth abortions.

- TOM

141 posted on 11/15/2002 8:39:10 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Pablo64
Your misunderstanding of the Church's position on both abortion, conveyed in the first century Didache, the difference between discipline and doctrine and Galileo, whose theory had wide support in the Church but whose approach did not, is plainly evident. Suggest you read "The Faith of the Early Fathers" by William A. Jurgens and Twisting the Knife if you wish to be educated on both subjects.
142 posted on 11/15/2002 8:47:47 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Pablo64
(ask Gallileo among others if you doubt this)

This was a fallible disciplinary decision by the Inquisition, not an infallible decision of the pope or a council.

It is clear, moreover, that the authors of the judgment themselves did not consider it to be absolutely final and irreversible, for Cardinal Bellarmine, the most influential member of the Sacred College, writing to Foscarini, after urging that he and Galileo should be content to show that their system explains all celestial phenomena -- an unexceptional proposition, and one sufficient for all practical purposes -- but should not categorically assert what seemed to contradict the Bible, thus continued:

I say that if a real proof be found that the sun is fixed and does not revolve round the earth, but the earth round the sun, then it will be necessary, very carefully, to proceed to the explanation of the passages of Scripture which appear to be contrary, and we should rather say that we have misunderstood these than pronounce that to be false which is demonstrated.

Also, keep in mind that at the same time several cardinals were funding Copernicus' astronomical endeavors.

Nevertheless it was a churchman, Nicholas Copernicus, who first advanced the contrary doctrine that the sun and not the earth is the centre of our system, round which our planet revolves, rotating on its own axis. His great work, "De Revolutionibus orblure coelestium", was published at the earnest solicitation of two distinguished churchmen, Cardinal Schömberg and Tiedemann Giese, Bishop of Culm. It was dedicated by permission to Pope Paul III in order, as Copernicus explained, that it might be thus protected from the attacks which it was sure to encounter on the part of the "mathematicians" (i.e. philosophers) for its apparent contradiction of the evidence of our senses, and even of common sense.

143 posted on 11/15/2002 8:47:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Bill Clinton is a Pelosifising seeker of truth.
144 posted on 11/15/2002 8:51:43 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
A shocker. A Democrat lied again.
145 posted on 11/15/2002 8:57:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Man, is SHE deceived!
146 posted on 11/15/2002 8:58:06 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: Havoc
And I'd be more worried about a pawn voting the way the pope tells her to vs. someone who actually represents their constituency.

What the hell are you talking about? This thread is about a Democrat making a risible claim that's easily refuted by facts. Your screed about the dangers of her voting the way the Pope wants her to is simply assinine and has nothing to do with the conversation.

Practicing Catholics do not support abortions. Check the polls on this issue. Non-practicing Catholics may. Some guy going to church on Sunday, who supports abortion, is not a Catholic. He's deaf.
147 posted on 11/15/2002 9:15:00 AM PST by No Left Turn
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To: Dick Vomer
HBO! It's not just TV . . . it's porn!
148 posted on 11/15/2002 9:17:21 AM PST by Xenalyte
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Lip service catholic. Like to see her have audience with the Pope and tell him about abortion etc.
149 posted on 11/15/2002 9:23:25 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Lancey Howard
They gotta keep putting her on TV.

sarcasm tag on

Maybe next week she will lean over and whisper into the liberal network reporter's ear:

"The truth is I am really a guy in drag."

That would appeal to her home constituency and the conservatives won't vote for her anyway. She is such a smart woman you know.

sarcasm tag off
150 posted on 11/15/2002 9:35:16 AM PST by cgbg
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To: ChadGore
Omigosh, is that an eery picture of the evil twins.
151 posted on 11/15/2002 9:50:13 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: grumpster-dumpster
Now, now, they ONLY lie when they move their lips. You should know that by now...
152 posted on 11/15/2002 9:56:00 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: PJ-Comix
People can be religious and still not be Christian. A christian isn't religious but has a relationship with the living God. There's a difference. Religion is not a relationship. Bill could be very religious and carry his big bible, but that doesn't mean a thing to God. He's looking for people who will obey His commandments (do not commit adultery, do not lie--you know?). Bill doesn't exactly fit the "bill." Maybe someday.
153 posted on 11/15/2002 9:59:50 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: mware
No practicing Catholic would condone infanticide

No, but many people the "call themselves Catholic" do.

154 posted on 11/15/2002 10:06:23 AM PST by TankerKC
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To: RooRoobird14
COMMITTED Catholic is the byword here. There are committed Christians/Catholics and there are cultural ones. There are Catholics/Christians who believe the Bible and those who just carry them around (Bill Clinton comes to mind here.) for show. God knows the heart.
155 posted on 11/15/2002 10:07:41 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: MarkT
The Archbishop will lose credibility if he does not act...

See how the Church handled this one.

156 posted on 11/15/2002 10:09:40 AM PST by TankerKC
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Why am I not surprised by any irrational drivel a lib emits? She is a conservative Catholic like Walter Williams is a Marxist. If even her lib backers believe her babbling nonsense THEN I'd be mighty surprised.
157 posted on 11/15/2002 10:13:34 AM PST by foghornleghorn
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I just want you all to know that Nancy is telling the truth. She really is a conservative Catholic, as conservative and as Catholic as the Pope, or Scott Hahn, or Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz.

Also, here is a picture of Campion on the job (I'm the big guy in red):

158 posted on 11/15/2002 10:19:21 AM PST by Campion
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"When people call me a liberal, I call myself a conservative Catholic."

And I call you, Nancy, a LIAR.

159 posted on 11/15/2002 10:30:46 AM PST by pray4liberty
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
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160 posted on 11/15/2002 10:32:20 AM PST by BaBaStooey
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