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To: Coeur de Lion
One of the reasons I posted this was because it presents in a nutshell why the so-called Golden Age of Islam had very little to do with Islam itself. In fact I've always believed this Golden Age was much overrated and driven more from multiculturist aims than anything else. Why is any of this important? The mindset of the Moslem is not the same as those in the West. Most Moslems believe in the inherent superiority of their religion and as a result their culture to the extent that all others are inferior. It doesn't matter if they're living in a mud hovel in Afghanistan, they believe that they're superior to all other non-Muslims. This particular mindset has been observed but most with a Western orientation don't understand it, because it seems so foreign to us in its absolutism.

Additionally the West has a universal set of values which overall we're expected to adhere to. Yes, maybe we can kill Indians, or perhaps Jews should be mass executed as has happened in the past but we all know in our hearts the wrongness of doing these things and must rationalize why we do them i.e. they're salvages or the hereditary enemies of the Aryan People. With Islam the only universal principles which apply are to other Muslims. In the words of Lady Isabel Burton wife of Sir Richard Burton, "Out of the very stones they will fabricate such a tower of falsehoods that you can only stand and gabe in wonder and admiration at their fruitful invention."

They will use reason to argue their case. But they really believe it's only necessary for those who give credence to reason. Not to themselves because they know the rightness of their cause The case as to whether there was a Golden Age attributed to Islam only matters to a Muslim because it is a confirmation of the superiority of Islam, and it's also useful in dealing with non-Muslims.

The awareness of this mindset makes it actually easy to understand why so little response is ever forthcoming from their communities when some terrorist acts occur.

9 posted on 11/15/2002 1:04:25 AM PST by Coeur de Lion
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To: Coeur de Lion
Early AM bump for the article, and Mr. Heart's commentary.
10 posted on 11/15/2002 1:54:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Coeur de Lion
Good article.

One thing to bear in mind about the "Golden Age" is that it occurred very shortly after the establishment of Islam, after Mohammed's military conquests and those of his immediate successors, but before many of the tenets of the religion had entirely jelled. During the initial period, for example, figurative art was allowed; but succeeding generations of Muslims would then destroy this art as being contrary to Islam.

Islam is a particularly anti-intellectual religion, and because its favored form of government is theocracy, it has the power to enforce its views. As it succeeded in dominating the cultures in which it had installed itself, it strangled them. And except for military activities (some of which look more like plain old banditry), these cultures withered and became totally unproductive.
14 posted on 11/15/2002 4:02:47 AM PST by livius
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To: Coeur de Lion
What is there to understand? One must accept that: 1.Islam is out to conquer the world 2. Life under Islam is much worse then death fighting it. Now what else does one need to know. You aren't fighting for an abstract goal here...you are fighting for the very existence of your family and for the future generations that would be ground under the heel of slavery of this "faith". There is nothing else to do but to fight, kill and butcher until one side or the other is extinct. Lets get started.
15 posted on 11/15/2002 5:54:06 AM PST by Stavka2
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