Western Victories Over Islamic Hordes

11/14/02 | Sparta

[Sparta]

I am trying to compile a list of Islamic defeats since the beginning of that disgraceful religion. This is to try to prove that Muslim soldiers really are not that scary. The West has consistently kicked Islam's a$$ since its beginning. Please post examples of this religion's stellar military performance. (links to websites welcome)

[Wisconsin]

We would be speaking Arabic had not Suleiman the Magnificent been succeeded by Suleiman the Sot.

[MattinNJ]

The absolutely best old time Christian Knights vs. Muslims smackdowns took place in Malta. It was considered the greatest siege in history until Stalingrad by most military historians. There is a great book on it who's name and author I forget right now. I'll check in again after I look it up.

[Sparta]

Islam today bears almost no resemblance to the Islam of yesterday,

Wrong! There has been no Reformation or any equivalent in the Islamic. The reason why the West has won the majority of confrontations with the Muslims is because of our unique culture. We tolerate and discuss new ideas while Islamic cultures have traditionally been unaccepting of new ideas. We traditionally guarantee property ownership, asset protection, and due process of law so our soldiers can have something to fight for. The Turkish commander at Lepanto had his entire fortune aboard his galley when it went down because the Sultan could confiscate property at his whim.

[RLK]

Everyone should take the Islamic threat VERY SERIOUSLY

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I do. A copy of the Rand McNally historical maps shows they once ruled half the known world. Conversion to Islam was made by force. There are now 1,000,000,000 of them. That tells me how many battles they lost.

The method of conquest has now become a guerila terrorist operation that is difficult to defend against with airpower etc. It's like swinging a two by four at a hive of angry bees. In this case there is no central hive to smash, but a motivating religion coordinate the attack.

Islam can be defeated. In order to do so it must first be discredited. They must be purged from this country so as not to have terrorists among us. In areas where they bring force elsewhere in the world, they must be obliterated.

[Burdened White Man]

Islam today bears almost no resemblance to the Islam of yesterday

Although I totally disagree with the Billybudd's assertion that the current Jihad is not about ideology, his above statement is largely correct. Daniel Pipes in Militant Islam Comes To America takes great pains to show that modern Islamists are different and far more radical than Islam historically. For much of the middle ages Islam, Judaism, and Christianity coexisted in relative peace in the Arab world.

[billybudd]

Please, enlighten me. The way I see it, the "West" vs. "Islam" conflict is a competition for regional and global dominance. The religion of Islam is only being used as ideological propaganda to support the Arabic rulers' ambitions. Unlike the religious wars in Europe in the 17th century, theological differences are not the driving factor of our present conflict. If they were, then we would be at war with all Muslims living within the US. Of course this is silly. We've gotten past the idea of conducting warfare based on religious beliefs. In case you haven't realized this, the reason we are currently engaged in a war with the Islamic countries is because they represent a direct threat to our well-being. We would respond, and have responded in the past, in the same way to non-Islamic countries (e.g., Nazi Germany). So now, please enlighten me as to why this conflict is religious in nature.

[MattinNJ]

O.K I'm back. The book is "The Great Siege: Malta 1565" by Ernle Bradford. It is a phenomenal read. Real blood and guts, hold to the last man, smash the heathen scum book. Check out the reviews on Amazon.com.

Although they weren't Christians and Muslims at the time, the battle at Salamis and Thermopylae saved Western civilization in it's infancy. It was West vs. East and if the HUGELY outnumbered West had lost, no Greek philosophers, no Roman empire, etc...

[Sparta]

I have no problem with Muslims per se, I just I have a problem with those who want to kill me because of my religion and those who deny religion is not a cause of the problem. If they are a religion of peace, they need to show examples of this and denounce the terrorists openly and honestly.

[Sparta]

I feel King Leonidas is not thanked enough for his contributions and sacrifices to save the West.

[Wombat101]

Just off the top of my head, and we're talking Arabs here, not just Islamicists:

Battle of Poitiers
U.S. Navy/Marines vs. Barbary Pirates

Alexander the Great kicked the crap out of the Arabs from Egypt to India, with stops in Ash-can-istan, Iran and Iraq.

Rome regularly defeated desert armies (Carthage, Egypt, Assyria, etc).

[RLK]

they were driven out of the North very rapidly...

Aragon, Castile, and Aquataine, I believe and the remnants of the old Frankish kingdom of Germans.

[Wombat101]

I also highly recommend "Carnage and Culture" by Victor Davis Hanson to all of those interested in just why Western soldiers are superior to everything they've ever come up against.

[Sparta]

We're talking all Islamofacists. Anyway, the Barbary Pirates were Islamofascists too.

[Burdened White Man]

So now, please enlighten me as to why this conflict is religious in nature.

It's a war of global dominance for sure, but it's ideologically driven by radical Islamic fundamentalism. No doubt there are many in it for purely politial reasons, I will grant you that point. But take fundamentalism out of the equation and what are you left with. As far as Islam in America goes, Let Steve Emerson's American Jihad and Daniel Pipe's Militant Islam Comes to America enlighten you further.

[Fiddlstix]

BTTT

[Sparta]

I have at home and it is a good book!!!

Victor Davis Hansen BUMP!!!